NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #4

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Well bugger me I cannot see just reading nitter and what a drama lama, over what.

Also he said he was trapped in the room but left first?

So what does he do when a patient refuses to see him as a woman. Collapse in tears? Get angry? Compromised care?

Frankly I don't think he should be allowed near vulnerable patients until he sorts himself out. I hope NHS Fife are overseeing him carefully.

He says he was worried he'd be cornered, he'd be attacked.

Reminds me of when them from Stonewall with the support dog, mum, IT guy, lawyer and friend, claimed that them was afraid that if they had any Stonewall meetings at Garden Court Chambers, Allison Bailey would be lurking in the women's toilets and beat up any men with lady-feelz that entered. Because it's sooo likely that a 50-something year old woman barrister would do that...

Absolute spanners.

Ugh he's such a creep.

I am confused though, surely the main point of relevance is that he's biologically and legally male and the NHS as an employer must provide single sex changing rooms? When will that be brought up?

different browser and I'm 'waiting for the conference host to join' - is that what happens during breaks?

I have to ask DH to make sure he’s in the same room and pointing his face towards me. Regularly. As he walks off while still talking.

That's nice, he had a few days off for Christmas

Yay!

First half of this afternoons TT tweets

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1887496417180012992.html

I can’t work out what the deletions are about. And so am unsure what we’re not allowed to say- ironically.

Can anyone hint?

The problem is I'd think psychiatric patients might be rather more likely to become subject to coercive controlling abusers and someone telling them their perceptions and beliefs are wrong and they're going mad.

If a doctor did this, however, it would be medical malpractice at best and possibly criminal.

I'm not really sure how trying to get everyone to lie about him being female fits in with this. Not good.

Anxious about going back to work. Asked if he could walk into work with another colleague.

Sections them for being delusional?

Just give women single sex facilities fgs

We don't need this drama

Donations to Sandie's Dad's fund now over £2k.

In yer dreams pal!

Good for him for leaving and changing elsewhere. The first decent thing he has done.

So it's ok for him to leave if he doesn't feel comfortable changing in front of her?

😱

He had to arrange a buddy to go into work with after Christmas. But her train (because of course it's a woman) was late so he had to go in himself. Poor lamb.

Claimant was in cr so he left and got changed in a cupboard!

Imagine how exhausting it must be to work with/manage someone like this.

'Took refuge'

I REALLY hope he's not senior enough to section women who recognise biological reality on his own. But given the level of capture in NHS Fife - a worrying possibility.

None of this is going to help NHS Fife nurse recruitment. But maybe that's what their management want given the lack of money?