NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #4

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Dr U mentioned that the consultant who he told about the incident immediately, said things like "that sounds like an upsetting incident" and he said she was "very supportive". I'd just say the consultant had done some training in reflective listening and was remaining rather neutral at this point

He’s just walked out of the room for a break with a young woman who looks to be a similar age. Obviously towering over her…

He's one of those new fangled lesbians. The superior ones.

The level of victimhood and entitlement this man thinks he's deserved because he said "I am a woman" one day and immediately expected the entire world to fall in line is off the fucking charts.

The wife rather confirms what kind of TW DU is.

They look like they are praying in the back now, all heads bowed

I'd say the consultant walked Dr U to his car to make sure he left the premises.

Indeed.

Of course. It's so vindictive. Straight away send the email. Nasty nasty nasty.

It's the only way it works

Why should we?

The whole tribunal is a mockery of women, the entire system that has led to this person wobbling on a stand

Though he arrived at Malaga a little younger than most seem to.

The wife could be another TW...

Re-up for Sandie's dad's collection - so close to £2000 now https://alexander-herschell-bell.muchloved.com/

What's even worse is that senior management and Drs have enabled this nonsense!

Well hopefully that will show Sandie and the family that there is support for them amidst this horrible shitshow.

I'm just getting a blank screen with a placeholder about not recording when I log in. How long does it usually take to load (not that it matters really as I have to go out in 1 minute)

And from France. I've had to turn the video off for fear of spontaneously combusting with rage. Poor Sandie having to deal with all this (literal) bollocks.

That would make sense. I can think of two or three times when pupils complained about my lack of eye contact- I have to force myself to do it - and I’ve just apologised and explained that I’m on the spectrum.

Being brought up in Fife, I recall an emphasis on eye contact while I was at primary school. Mind you, that was the ‘60s.

Are we taking a break?

"Short break" I don't know when back

Also, do we know why the judge is writing long-hand notes? It seems a bit inefficient.

Ah but that is why there is safeguarding in keeping women out of rugby teams, prison, rape crisis centres etc. It is for the safety of the men. No women in the 6 Nations men’s team, I see. It is to keep men’s rugby safe and fair. The women would wallop everyone.

Yes, didn't catch how long

I agree, if he hadn't said the magic words, then there would be no argument, and he'd have been on the receiving end of a disciplinary the first time she complained that he was using the female changing room.

Useful things, those magic words, aren't they

I had to teach my (NT) kids - 'point your face at people when you're talking to them!'