NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #4

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

FFS - she looks at him = angry / threatening
She doesn't look at him = harassment

She was very direct with her language. How dare she!

So that's a consultant taken away from providing patient care in order to deal with him.

I have observed, it’s always the TRA side who seem to leap to the “transwomen are rapists and predators” point. I’ve never heard a GC person actually say that

Yes, but if it wouldn't have been bullying if he was a non-TW male, and if we accept her view that he's male (which the court has), then that's relevant to this case - or should be.

I'm not certain it will have the intended effect though.

I don't think it does anything to enhance a witness's credibility - the opposite if anything...

Ran to mummy

There is

I'm running out of new words to shout at the screen!

Hang on, here her 'eye contact' is angry but BEFORE he said the 'lack of eye contact' and direct address was harassment.

It's so OBVIOUSLY coercive control. She can never win, too much eye contact = bad, none = also bad. Bad woman burn the witch. He's abusing her with apparently the enthusiastic participation of NHS fife.

I've not tuned in, but did he say he was autistic or was that mumsnet speculation?

If he is autistic, surely direct communication is a reasonable adjustment to disability. You can't then complain people are speaking directly.

Me too BB. I’m going for a biscuit to calm down.

He says he was worried he'd be cornered, he'd be attacked.

It's SO enraging!

Where are we? Amandaland?

What???

Yes!! And from England too. My poor blood pressure.

Reading your comments I get the impression he thinks this will all be over as soon as the judge realises he was really really sad about it. And I’m used to being sad, because I am a poor weak woman regularly abused by men, and this made me EVEN MORE SAD!

Shades of Violet Elizabeth.

quite

DU I did my best to deescalate it. I told her it was inappropriate and that she needed to follow process.

No to deescalate it, you leave the fucking room!!

I keep wanting to roll my eyes!

I can't type what I actually want to type. You'll all have to do the telepathy thing!!!!

It's like a little boy at school crying to someone in the school office about how x has been mean to him in the playground.

He is a doctor talking with a doctor. He is expecting to be believed and his situation acted upon.

He is v comprehensive in telling the other doctor absolutely everything the nasty women has done to him. He knows he will be listened to.

Entitlement issuing from every pore.

Bethlehem? Bethlehim?

Walk him back to his car