NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #4

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

So, so fake.

He was afraid and upset. Shaky voice has started.

It's not a problem unless the word scared was used.

How is he going to survive as a Dr when he's so fragile?!

I am concious about the unpleasant attitudes of some people about trans people using changing rooms

Aargh, the bullshit!

No, it's not about "unpleasant" attitudes about "trans people".

It's about perfectly normal, reasonable, statistically backed-up, and widely understood and legally accommodated, fear, discomfort, loss of dignity and and feeling intimidated, by FEMALE people about MALE people in a woman's space. It is because males can be very dangerous to women and there's a pretty high prevalence of harassment, intimidation, flashing etc., and being seen undressed by the opposite sex against your will is not something our society normally expects people to tolerate, that women's spaces exist.

No one is saying trans people aren't allowed to get changed. It is about what sex you are. SP isn't freaking out about trans people, she has made very clear it is the maleness of BU that was the issue (and being given a hard time for that!).

The misdirection and gaslighting is off the scale.

It is shocking.

Well done Sandie Peggie for being brave enough to shine this much light insanity.

We have lost a nurse of 30 years experience - the very type of person the NHS is desperate for - over a bloody changing room. Because in an entire hospital there's not possibly anywhere else he could go and using that one was unacceptable if she just waited her turn.

If he's a woman he'll understand that when a man walks behind us at night, we cross the road. I'm sure that the vast majority of these men are very nice but it's a choice we are entitled to make.

If Sandie was Muslim there is no way this would have got this far.

Thanks to the wonderful women here for updating this thread and I hope Sandie knows just how many of us are behind her.

Please tell me this is not verbatim.

Fuck me.

Sounds like a fantasy

So fake, so very very fake. Fake woman, fake upset. Real bullying and attempts to control women.

"casting aspersions on my people..."

'she wouldn't want to change in front of men because of bad history with men'
'I said I understand, I sympathise'
'she said: 'you dont' understand, you don't sympathise, otherwise you wouldn't be changing here'

I've got to the swearing out loud at the screen stage!

Are we going to get to NC questioning today?

Thank you again for the new thread.
I'm not following the tribunal itself, just going off the quoted snippets on here. And that in itself is jaw-dropping. The entitlement! The delicate flower he is!
When does Naomi question him? That'll be interesting.

I'm doing my best
hard to type while listening to crap sound

JR pauses. Let's all watch his mouth working, poor fragile frightened flower.

Oh yes indeed. We know what this sort of thing is about.

'As a woman'. FFS

FUCK OFF! Omg

'as a woman, I'm experience everyday misogyny ... largely patriarchal society'

'I've been catcalled in the street, I've had men touch me on the knee without consent, try to hug me, make comments on my body'

'I wouldn't feel comfortable chanign in a men's changin room, as a woman'

'As a woman I've experienced the misogyny of a patriarchal society.'

DARVO

DU As a woman I have been subject to everyday misogyny. I have been catcalled.

Oh for fuck's sake. This is an absolute FARCE

DU - as in the note, "she said others had similar concerns, I said I'd heard none, she said she was the only on who would speak up. Said didn't want to change"