NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #4

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Ok I will leave and come back later, I just can't listen to JR

I think you're right but I also think if they think this will 'cow' NC then they really haven't done any background research on NC. 😂

However, the bullying behaviour seems to be standard practice from what we're hearing.

Over lunch I've been trying to get my head round the fact that Dr U's manager/supervisor, the BMA, HR, the Finance Officer, the lawyer, the KC didn't suggest that this was not going to look good and they should aim to settle.

How on earth did "upset because she wouldn't change with me" and "told me she was uncomfortable" end up with her being suspended for best part of a year?

DD was considering a medicine-related career - thank goodness she didn't enjoy her week of work experience at the local hospital!

Sorry! 😐

But she walked out because she didn't want to be in the women's changing room with a man. So saying she was doing it to give him privacy would be disingenuous. And also accepting that it was ok for him to be in there. Which it wasn't.

See when witnesses are not allowed to discuss their evidence, questions, etc with their lawyer or anyone else during the breaks, is that actually monitored at all? Does it mean they have to go for separate sandwiches/talk about the weather? What would happen if someone suspected them of moving from small talk to something that might be substantive? Or is it just a polite fiction and actually they all just go off and game-plan like mad?

He actually looks more ' feminine ' than the photos I've seen of him. Maybe it's the lack of a beard!

Presumably DrU isn't allowed to discuss the case with his support bunch either?

I know... me too, it's so lovely.

Dr U will probably try and raise a grievance that we've all donated to charity.

I hope sincerely that I am never in the unfortunate position to need psychiatric support from the likes of Dr. U.

The very idea that he has potentially such authority over women and girls in mental health crisis is frightening.

He talks so fast, poor judge

I've watched Naomi Cunningham in action several times in recent years. That woman is focus personified. In a long and distinguished career I'm sure she's seen cheap tactics like this many times. And responds appropriately. By ignoring them.

Or boys and young men in MH crisis either, tbh

I'm being daft - there's nothing there when I choose observer, is that the correct option?

Yes. Your mic and camera are automatically switched off.

I found that too. Try the first options - video and audio

Yes, it's still coercive control and abuse of men and boys if they see a man and are compelled / bullied into lying.

When I have these interactions I write them as soon as possible.

What a pathetic man. Taking notes on colleagues. More likely he was looking for terfs and a fight.

I'd say trying to ignore someone trying to coercively control you is a fairly normal defense response.

Long discussion about a child/patient who was seen in triage but left without treatment. SP didn't say hello to Dr U when arriving to discuss this case. But did give information about the patient. Didn't look at or acknowledge Dr U while providing report. SP left the Drs area. Dr U made notes about this interaction "took keep track of them" "when I have these interactions I try to write them as soon as possible as they are fresh in my mind" "I wanted to make sure I had a record of these incidents as it was unusual" "I was concious that unfortunately I am aware that there are people who object to the existence of trans people and I am vulnerable to that sort of tension" "I wanted to be able to say in the future about what had happened so there was an accurate understanding"

He gesticulates a lot, which is unfortunate as I am rather mesmerised by the size of his hands.

I wonder if some of those support people are other staff from the hospital. A massive intimidation tactic