NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #4

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

On the 5 observers (+1 who had to sit elsewhere) why are they allowed behind the witness box without having to identify themselves? Observers sit outside the proceedings but they are "on stage" as it were. Anyone know?

There are 35 waiting in the lobby for this afternoon. And one very pensive member of the support team already in his seat.

And other stuff - to be investigated in further questioning. So far there is nothing I can see to support harrassment of anyone. It is all very weird

Not just upset. A victim of bullying.

Truth.

The pain med doctor for the Ortho Ward at the Vic wheeled me out in my wheelchair when there were no porters available.

NC job half done all she has to do is link events that occurred after she complained to her senior about him in female changing room.

I think you’re right. It is rather they want to intimidate. A posse. Also, when NC is questioning (if DU doesn’t abscond to try to avoid having to deal with anything which doesn’t massage his ego and claims), she will be facing a wall of hostile people. Not just the 2nd Respondent. I think it is to cow people.

Even more than before, I think SP is very courageous to have not been cowed by this man and the management of NHS Fife attempts to inflict an abusive situation upon her, and then to persecute her as hateful for not letting them force her to ‘willingly’ be abused. I think she is a role model.

62 in the lobby now.

Give over......are you just trying to wind everyone up?

You do realise SP needed the changing facilities because of menstrual flooding?

I wasn't going to watch this as I'm really busy, but reading the testimonies is enraging! Applied for a link, which came through really quickly. I need to see what this man looks like ( and hope NC does her usual sterling job )

• Self edited as can't say what I really feel about this travesty...

Has JR finished? or will we need to hear more of this

How do you get sound?

Not the first or second time.

You've got to wonder at what point a woman is allowed to say 'no'.

If she goes into a toilet cubicle to change, is that bullying? If she waits until he leaves to get undressed, is that bullying? If she asks him not to take out his phone to make 'notes' in the changing room, would that be bullying? If she wears two layers of clothing so he can't see her undressed, because of her religion, is that bullying?

To what extent is he allowed to use women staff? What's the boundary? Do they actually have to strip naked in front of him regardless of their personal feelings, religion, disability, for him to be satisfied there's no 'bullying' because it seems that NHS Fife is very much trying to give this man whatever cutted up pear he wants. No matter how many women it tramples over.

Sorted!

I requested the link earlier today and they replied within 20 minutes with the link

Bundle!!

One of the supporters has gone

I think JR will be finishing up as we have not got to the Xmas eve (none) event yet

She did leave, though, didn't she.....and he didn't like it. It made him "feel sad". Sad enough to make notes on his phone about it.

I think there's a lot more to come from JR - they haven't got to the Christmas eve incident yet.

Thank you Oldbugger. The total is now £1,526.25. So sorry for Peggie losing her dad in the middle of all this

@Shortshriftandlethal maybe I didn’t explain myself well. DU is claiming SP on two occasions walked in and then walked out and waited = harassment. SP could argue, walked in someone changing so walked out to give them privacy.

Long time lurker, SOBBING at all the MN donations on Sandie's dad's page. Just when I have lost all faith in humanity....