NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board - thread #2

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

First thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

It's being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr

The sick leave is of the HR support person. To explain tardiness in dealing with Peggie's case.

It was the HR support persons leave, JR saying that was the reason for the investigation taking such a long time.

snap

JR saying the investigation took 9 months but that's ok becuase the HR person kept being off. Obviously the NHS only has one HR person who could have done this work

Hospitals would seem to be very unhealthy places.

If I'd made notes of every time a nurse in A+E/Medical Admissions didn't do something I'd asked for or was rude to me, I'd never have got anything done.

And I'm sure the nurses would say the same about the junior doctors as well actually I know they do

As far as bullying in the NHS goes this is one of the most pathetic examples ever.

Coming back to the class issue again - DrU is a doctor and therefore much more important than a mere nurse

That's really not a good enough reason, in fact that's an appalling reason to have someone on long term suspension/ under investigation for.

That's Russell done with her cross-examination.

NC said her re-examination will be brief.

Judge is noting time, quite a long day, might just stop and come back tomorrow.

NC content to break for fifteen mins.

Judge let's have a break for ten minutes

That was kind of the NC.

So glad NC looking out for SP and fingers crossed she will not have to take the stand again tomorrow.

Who is the person sat facing Peggie?

Being told to do obs when normally it's a nurses job is the epitome of being treated as a woman!

I was flabbergasted when I found out my male colleague had never had to clear away his trolley as the nurses always did it for him.

Basically, if you want to get anywhere in medicine, you do what the nurses tell you. You might gripe about it later in a doctor-only group but the whole NHS runs on people sucking it up.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine The clerk, I think

I hope they do press on and finish SP today, she must be utterly exhausted and she's done so well so far.

Did I understand correctly the HR person who did the investigation is not giving evidence?

This is what I'd like to see in re-examination by NC:

Miss Peggie. You heard opposing counsel refer to Isla Bryson as "he". In your view does that make her a bigot, or at least someone prejudiced against transwomen?

I think so Harassedevictee but there's to be a stand-in of someone else who was involved.

They'll probably be on leave...

And as soon as you say TWAM you are no longer pure.

Coming back to the class issue again - DrU is a doctor and therefore much more important than a mere nurse

I do wonder how this scenario might have panned out if it had been a female Dr l objecting to a male HCA or nurse using the female changing room.

😂😂😂😂

Being told to do obs when normally it's a nurses job is the epitome of being treated as a woman!

Good point. It's difficult to know which kind of affirmation is right and what is wrong with these men's inner feelings, isn't it? Almost as if other staff are walking on eggshells.