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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board - thread #2

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nauticant · 04/02/2025 11:37

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

First thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

It's being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 04/02/2025 15:10

His first name is Scott.

Harassedevictee · 04/02/2025 15:10

@Boiledbeetle SP needed to be kind and move shift/job. Rather than just scheduling her and DU to different shifts. Not that hard.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 15:11

JR now on to SP being the only person to complain. SP corrects to only person to complain to management.

And look where that got her!

Madcats · 04/02/2025 15:11

Presumably a (very) Junior Doctor has to work lots of shifts per week, not the same 2?

Gallstoned · 04/02/2025 15:12

Can we listen live? Does anyone have a link please?

oldwomanwhoruns · 04/02/2025 15:12

So the hospital's answer was to get SP to change jobs. Didn't it even occur to them to tell U to go to the correct changing for his sex??

Signalbox · 04/02/2025 15:12

At least they've worked out how to mute observers now. Can't believe it took them x2 days.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 04/02/2025 15:12

That's crazy talk!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/02/2025 15:14

Is the judge writing everything down long hand?

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 15:14

JR moves on to who is harmed most by allowing men in women's spaces. Men it seems is the only correct answer.

That doesn't look right!! Basically SP should suck up her discomfort rather than Beth be made to feel uncomfortable.

TWETMIRF · 04/02/2025 15:16

If people are expected to use the facilities that match their gender identity then why are there only male and female facilities? It's very transphobic to only validate 2 genders when there are lots of others getting ignored

Rightsraptor · 04/02/2025 15:16

Such a shame Sandie is the only one who complained as it's so easy for them to point the 'bigot' finger at her.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 15:17

JR on to SPs apparent angry demeanour

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/02/2025 15:17

Rightsraptor · 04/02/2025 15:16

Such a shame Sandie is the only one who complained as it's so easy for them to point the 'bigot' finger at her.

She is so brave. Seeing the way she is being treated I am not at all surprised that noone else felt able to formally complain.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 15:18

JR You continued to be angry about Beth in March.

Rightsraptor · 04/02/2025 15:18

Oh no! Sandie was angry! How dare she?

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 15:18

NC speaks up here

Rightsraptor · 04/02/2025 15:19

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/02/2025 15:17

She is so brave. Seeing the way she is being treated I am not at all surprised that noone else felt able to formally complain.

Oh me neither. Who'd willingly put themselves through this?

Gallstoned · 04/02/2025 15:19

Please could @Boiledbeetle send the link to watch live?

CheekySnake · 04/02/2025 15:19

yourhairiswinterfire · 04/02/2025 15:00

The idea that women will feel uncomfortable changing in a room with a man is so normal, I can't believe we even have to say it out loud.

Exactly. Why do they think we have separate facilities in the first place?

Why are the feelings of some men who don't wish to change with other men valid and reasonable, and those men must be immediately pandered to, but a woman who doesn't want to change in front of a man is unreasonable, a terf, a bully, a liar, a harasser, a transphobe, using the wrong 'tone', etc?

The thing is, if the question was 'should male staff be allowed to get changed in the female changing room,' the answer would be a clear and unequivocal no. Even the most ardent female TRA's I know are firm that men should not be in female only spaces because they are dangerous to women.

And yet somehow, they also insist that there are some men who are not like other men in such a way that this basic rule cannot be applied to them, despite the fact that they're exactly the same as all the other men, what with them being, you know, men.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 15:20

Gallstoned · 04/02/2025 15:19

Please could @Boiledbeetle send the link to watch live?

I haven't got it to hand! I cut and pasted from somes ones post late last night.

TWETMIRF · 04/02/2025 15:21

Gallstoned · 04/02/2025 15:19

Please could @Boiledbeetle send the link to watch live?

You have to email the court and ask, we can't share

Gallstoned · 04/02/2025 15:21

I see thanks

WearyAuldWumman · 04/02/2025 15:22

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 15:17

JR on to SPs apparent angry demeanour

FFS Now a woman is being bullied for her expression?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/02/2025 15:22

Women aren't allowed to be angry, they should be compliant.

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