Another GC Employment Tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #4

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gender Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM or KT: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22-23 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2
Thread #3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4990903-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-3

Ah, that would explain it then.

I'll be honest before I joined the session and was just reading the tweets, I imagined a big fancy courtroom and NC pacing up and down, lots of lovely dark wood.

Not quite the same vibes as the runaway radiator

One worry has been niggling at me. NC is amazing, she is not pulling her punches and her questions have gotten right to the heart of just how damaging gender ideology can be to women. Being clear that the enforcement of this belief is absolute through the use of religious language such as heresy & creed is to me a very real parallel but
There is a bit of me that worries that the judges may be tempted to conclude that she/RA are also zealots just of the opposite persuasion and that everyone involved is bonkers. Our ears are so not used to hearing these words said out loud that part of me is shocked.

Is this one a ze/zem?

I don't know I thought I'd use made up pronouns since I haven't been able to ask zem

Agree.

There are numerous examples I've spotted where the board weren't informed of certain things but SHOULD have been asking those questions and should have been exercising due diligence and been on top of how policy was understood and implimented.

Privacy and GDPR is one that sticks out to me. As does not following up on aspects of the disciplinary process.

Is this one a ze/zem?

[Notches up one gross misconduct for Empressaurus.]

i just cannot believe the cruelty of this.
And the cynicism

Fond memories of Judge Goodmans beautiful (and loud) cat.

😂

KH's LinkedIn says she/her

As a pp said, v chirpy. Lots of yep / yups as she checks through the witness statement with DH

And safeguarding of vulnerable service users - which is very conspicuous in its absence (except from RA).

Dh is asking waffle questions

i just cannot believe the cruelty of this.

I thought for a moment you meant dropping the witnesses in blind, and was inclined to agree.

Doesn't work - NC has picked up on process. Its not all about the subject of trans. Its about the process of how it was dealt with.

See my point above about governance and board responsibilities.

23 and a trustee!!! That makes no sense. I hope she makes it out of the cross examination alive

NC qs c your role on board. When did you graduate :)!

KH Summer 2022

This witness was 21 or 22 when this happened, what experience could she have brought to it? and I don't think she sounds confident, I think she sounds scared, and is trying to cover it up.

How dare MW and Nico hide behind her

KH was appointed on 5 April 2021.

Naomi. The microphone. Press the button.

hmm I've been booted out. maybe it was my comments about the radiator

There's some tidying up of workspace that's catching my attention with this witness in a way others haven't.

NC You are chair of strategy governance and organisational. Began when you were 22. Heavy responsibilities

KH Heavy for anyone. Board takes ercc work v seriously

Hard to hear NC but witness is v clear