Another GC Employment Tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #4

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gender Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM or KT: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22-23 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2
Thread #3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4990903-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-3

I think many of us nurture a secret fondness for CS.

Right I've had to go and do other annoying life stuff so have pages to catch up on. Has it been more of the same? I hope I can get back in.....

And i think today so far has gone wonderfully for ERCC!

Wonderfully badly that is!

Her answers have been incredibly illuminating

Still WFTCHTJ - I think it takes time as there are now so many watching!

😍

The parallel with gender ideology is frightening.

If anyone wants to hear more about how ideologies take hold, I’d recommend the last episode in the recent Rest Is History podcast on the rise of the Nazis (not - and I must make this clear - that I am equating the eroding of women’s rights with the genocide of 6m Jews)

'Best possible' in this case presumably being none of the witnesses' pants actually, physically igniting while on the stand.

I must say the clerk/s on this tribunal have been great, no denying entry or papers please nonsense.

Yes, she's continued to raise the profile of how ercc treats women rape victims!

But also well-behaved watchers ickky.

About to start again

Yes, a nice change from Jo Phoenix's tribunal

I do think it might harm women who have accessed this centre. They didn't get an opportunity to give informed consent about the sex of who was supporting them. It does matter, for example in group work there is a shared commonality amongst survivors about the culture of consent, blame and female development - if you are thinking that there is a female counsellor in the room you say things about this shared commonality that you think they will 'get' because every female experiences these slight erosions of consent from girlhood. I opened up about some really intimate stuff from childhood and puberty that I would NEVER have discussed in front of a biological male. I would be denied the chance to do the safety planning that I always do around unfamiliar men.

It's also making me question lots of things about the process that I have tried very hard to forget, like were the women at the SARC I went to actually biological women?

We don't employ men!

91 members of the public currently watching.

Helen Saxby has a recent article out (in Unherd or the Critic) about parallels between the ongoing post office horror story and the persecution of people who haven't sufficiently bowed before gender ideology.

For us TWAW

NC is pointing out that the ERCC policies cannot state that there are any biologically male people working at ERCC. For one very good reason.

Witness Our trans inclusive statement is on the website (not the policy then?)

I recently read Stacy Shchiff's "The Witches: Salem 1692" which is an intense, detailed look at the existing records and background context to try and understand what exactly happened. The most interesting part for me was the description of the aftermath, when there was a kind of embarrassed reluctance to talk about it for many decades. As nobody really wanted to recall how a town appeared to collectively lose its mind. Much food for thought.

What makes it clear in ur statement you may encounter a TW?

It says TWAW

Trans inclusive statement

www.ercc.scot/trans-inclusion-statement/#:~:text=We%20are%20committed%20to%20supporting,all%20genders%20aged%2012%2D18.

Thinks statement saying twaw is sufficient it seems

Oh this is perfect. It’s magnificent. I’m going to memorise it.
Thanks everyone for all the poetry!

MW sees non white SU s