Another GC Employment Tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #4

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gender Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM or KT: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22-23 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2
Thread #3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4990903-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-3

NC has shone a torch on the fact that trans Ideology, and the central tenet that you are biologically who you say you are, is always going to be incompatible within a women's only service.

So no commissioning body can require a trans inclusive service as a model for a women’s only service, it just does not work.

I could not, under any circumstances discuss sexual violence with a transwoman. I have, however, discussed it with a male counsellor, we kind of stumbled upon it. Similarly, if I needed intimate care, I might accept help from a man, but not a transwoman, but I would probably not want to hurt their feelings by refusing. I dont know if this is a transphobic, but it’s absolutely how I feel. If AB can announce their non binary ness, and refuse to discuss further, despite obvious workplace issues, I don’t see why I can’t have my wishes respected too.

Or Comic Sans if they’ve done something to really annoy you. 😉

(I’m pages behind so this post is bound to fall flat.)

Yes. Truly dreadful that a woman in such need would be told lies at a time of such vulnerability. AND then be blamed and name called if she can’t deal with it.

It's a bit 'I'm not a biologist'.

Could it be considered discrimination against GC rape victims to say ERCC can't cater for their request for a biological female?

Thanks all for this, I couldnt hear a thing this morning so I gave it up but I'm a little annoyed I missed the bit about having no idea what sex AB could possibly be.

I say, steady on!

Just seen this letter from ERCC ( was on Twitter )

The love and care they show for T and NB is in marked contrast to their attitude towards women
https://edinburghrapecrisis.wixsite.com/ercc/post/especially-for-you-letter-to-trans-survivors

Anyone know if MW is still viewing the tribunal?

Same as ever: so the bullies don’t turn on them (shades of Mary Warren in The Crucible) and/or to signal their purity.

Blimey, these threads have taken some catching up on! Thank you to all the live posters for their sterling efforts.

And what apprentice gets final sign off on gross misconduct letters in any organisation?

You'd need a particular individual who made that request of ERCC and received their response according to ERCC policy to make the claim Rainbowshit.

I'm never going to complain about my colleagues again, including the terminally dull wet lettuce, the woman who still rants about her cousin's wedding that her children weren't invited to, and the one who insisted on telling me about her see-through leotard (for some kind of sex party). At least none of them are foaming, ,glazed-eyed woo-zealots.

What's always stood out about this is that MW is clearly unsuited as an individual to be in this post.

Even if you were very TWAW and thought that in principle it was OK for a male to head up a Rape Crisis Centre it should be obvious that MW is totally lacking in basic empathy and could not possibly have been appointed on merit.

I must go back and reread The Crucible.

I would be fascinated to see the calibre and experience of other applicants for the CEO post to compare.

Howling, even the native Spanish speaker doesnt appear to know.

I wonder what the penalties are for lying under oath in a tribunal? Presumably it's treated like any other court of law?

They'd have been better saying the dog chewed it before we sent it. More plausible.

Leave Comic Sans alone, you fontophobic beast!

I am dyslexic, and wherever possible compose my documents in CS as I find it easier to read. Then I convert them to Times New Roman to send on.

Yellow paper helps, too.

Finally caught up in all that I missed whilst watching and they are back in the room nearly ready to start again.

God I need a nap!

I'm catching up on the thread but that genuinely made me laugh out loud. 😁

'I left it on the bus'.

I swear, I want to shriek 'get a hobby, for fucks sake' at the self obsessed, navel gazing ones claiming that they're NB. At least they'll have something beside themselves to talk about.