Another GC Employment Tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #4

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gender Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM or KT: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22-23 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2
Thread #3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4990903-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-3

As suggestion to those on the thread.

Put "what is non binary in Spanish" into Google.

Interesting that she didn't say AB is not a man though! Quite telling you might say.

Witness I don't agree

We are at that stage

nc - any dissent from TWAW is treated as bigoted isn't it?

Witness if service user comes into centre they are looking for support not looking for a political debate

I'm sorry but I am finding her deeply disingenuous. She knows this is all absolute fing bull*. It doesn't hold up at all to the surgical scalpel of NC's logic.

Isn't everything male or female in Spanish?

Client will be regarded as a bigot of they don't believe TWAW?

Don't think pp will come to centre looking for a political debate

I'm actually glad that ERCC put all these genderist automatons up so NC can interrogate their unthinking beliefs multiple times.

Witness: we are trans inclusive, we are not hiding anything from anyone

MS MW is not a man. MW is a woman.

NC Traumatised su will be seen as a bigot unless agrees TWAW.

MS No . Why. If su comes into centre they are looking for support, don't want to engage in political debate about sex and gender

NC No but some might be terrified at thought of having to discuss their trauma with someone they id as male.

MS Everyone know about MW. Everyone know ercc says thaw

There have been proposals to use the novel gender neutral suffix -e instead of -o or -a LarkLane.

Another one that didn't listen to the podcast of MW

NC - MW has called rape victims who don't agree TWAW are bigots
witness - I dont know

MW has publically called women bigots

Don't know

NC MW has called people who don't agree TWAW bigots

MS don't know about that.

Interestingly, I’m learning Spanish on Duolingo and have been slogging through the Use Pronouns module for what seems like ages. All very traditional though, thank goodness.

Shockingly callous way to treat a victim

No, this is our trans inclusive policy

And both statements can be true at once!

This witness seems not to be able to see how their trans inclusive policy actively excludes people who believe sex matters and that twaNOTw.

NC Shockingly callous way to treat a rape victim coming to centre for trauma

MS You suggest everyone thinks like that

NC. No. That some people think like that, that sex matters. Isn't that enough? Ercc is saying our service is not for you, go away.

MS No we are saying this is our policy, that TWAW. We explain this.

Well, I think this witness has nicely cemented that it's ERCC policy that TWAW and no other view is tolerated.

There have been proposals to use the novel gender neutral suffix -e instead of -o or -a

Hardly anyone does though, just like hardly anyone uses "Latinx" outside of TRAs or academia.

Absolutely!

What are they reading?