What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

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She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

I've never been told anything by AGCL as I'm not in it.

I mentioned it as I searched for evidence of KJK targeting the far right and it came up.

I advised any lurkers who want to see for themselves to look up Actual Gender Critical Left on Facebook if they want to know more as it's clear that they're keeping track of this stuff, and it's clear it's a waste of time posting the whole list here, as anything KJK does is excused - or meets an oh-so-clever school playground response e.g.

Even fraud is handwaved away.

But no, I'm not part of that group. I can see it's handy to pigeon hole me that way though, so posters can project a load of crap about the left and purity spirals onto me, though.

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But no, I'm not part of that group.

No, no, I'm not part of that group. TOTAL coincidence that I listed all their talking points, in the same order as they have them on their site, and had no other information from anywhere else. Yes, just a strange happenstance that I recommended them to other people, when I in fact have never even heard of them. You bigots!

@andarounditgoesagain You must think we're all stupid.

Please list the 'far right' people you are accusing KJK of working with?

And you'd better also find a definition of 'far right' too please.

Stop ignoring @Helleofabore , she is asking on behalf of many posters. Who are these people? Names, links, etc. Working doesnt mean standing next to, or having a selfie with.

OP,

Why is it so important for you to get your message across?

I sense a lot of frustration in your responses, which makes me wonder if you're an evangelical, seen the light type (hinted at before- I used to love her type statements).

It's very emotional language.

Explain your motivations please.

Why are YOU so determined to have an influence on how other people think of a woman few of us have even met?

What's the reason?

All I’ve got right now is

stop being so controlling OP you nightmare toxic weirdo

I realise that’s not very constructive though

Never even heard of my masters, the AGCL.

We can (and have) asked. But OP does not know the answers. She can only share what AGCL tell her to share.

It's like an MLM. Posting the same pre-approved catchphrases and quotes ad-infinitum.

Smashing it boss babe 👍

I've never been told anything by AGCL as I'm not in it.

Are you distancing yourself from a group whose talking points you've cut and pasted here? You are at the very least ACCL adjacent. Surely you can't object to that characterisation after you have started a whole thread which amounts to nothing more than guilt by association.

I've never been told anything by AGCL as I'm not in it

Are we talking to a ChatGTP bot?
I feel a right proper fool now.

We're talking about racists, white supremacists, extremist Trump supporters, the American religious right who have been responsible for countless anti-woman policies and neo nazis.

All of whom are entitled to their views, as objectionable as they may be. Sometimes though I will agree with their views, especially if they happen to be of the opinion that woman equals adult human female. That doesnt mean I'm aligning with them. That doesnt mean they are aligning with me. It doesn't mean is want to actually breathe the same air as them given a choice. It just means that on this subject we have the same opinion.

I can live with that.

KJK has always made it clear - she will talk to anyone who will listen because she believes the erasure of women's rights is one of the single biggest issues of the day. And that includes talking to the left. The problem is that the left doesn't want to listen.

Perhaps if the left had the gumption to engage with her rather than to virtue signal and moralise about her tactics we would not be having this argument.

Everyone has the right to campaign in the way they think best and we need to exploit all angles. I would be more impressed by the left if I saw any sign that anything they are doing has been the slightest bit effective.

The single most important effect KJK has had is to make women (at last) wake up to the roll-back to their rights and the risk to children of this TRA madness that is infiltrating our schools, our organisations, our businesses and our institutions.

Now come on OP and the left - tell us what successes you have had. We're all ears.

ChatGPT write me some posts to help me try and gaslight mumsnet please.

Right see you on the next KJK doing womaning wrong thread

OP is nothing to do with AGCL. OP has never even heard of them. OP is a completely independent thinker who just so happened to completely coincidentally come up with the exact list of AGCL talking points in the exact order they have them on their sin page.

It's so weird! such a weird and freaky coincidence. But in no way a reflection on OP. Just one of those things!

cHEERIE BYE!

"When I talk to my MP, to my DC's school, to TRA-sympathetic friends, the popular view that we're all right wing bigots isn't helping."

If you cannot present your own case to your school addressing specific issues with rationality, research and evidence, legal guidance as supplied by different women's groups on this issue, that is your own issue, I am afraid.

Your MP? Well, welcome to the club! Mine is a Lib Dem and even BEFORE KJK was gaining attention would not listen to anything I had to say. Dismissed it all! So, you work with one of the women's networks if you need to. Or you do what we all do. And just keep on writing. It is a thankless task. And it is NOT KJK's fault. If you have been sold that lie, then again, that is your own issue to deal with.

And seriously, you are blaming KJK for your TRA sympathetic friends not listening to you?

"Women who lobby politicians say this isn't helping."

I am lobbying politicians. And do you know what DOES help? Other women also lobbying the SAME politicians individually and uniquely. And do you know who encourages women to do exactly that? KJK when she does her videos and her rallies. Seriously, if you cannot find something positive to take out of her efforts you are deep in your own prejudices here.

"The TRAs have been saying for years that GC feminists are being paid by the far right. I used to be able to say that was bollocks. I can't now, with KJK putting flyers out with CPAC logos on them, FFS."

Have you seen the speakers at the Australian CPAC conference? Gosh, one was a past senior member of the Australian Labor Party! Did you know that? Or are you again just repeating the crap you are reading with no further curiosity.

Do you understand yet? Have you personally, ever gone and researched any of it?

And just because the extreme TRAs are saying it, doesn't make it true! Have you considered the gains that we have made in the past 2 years? Think about way the extreme TRAs were saying back then that have been shown to be false.

You contributing to misrepresentation doesn't help.

Did you even bother to read what I posted on Pal Steigan TWICE on this thread last night? YOU repeated a lie! and you have not acknowledged it.

How is KJK talking to white supremacists going to help us win them over? It's counterproductive.

What white supremacists? Honestly, List them. Let's see if people who are not deeply entrenched in being seen as 'left' think they are 'white supremacists' or if they have also been tarred like so many others for something that has not been proved or shown to stand up to scrutiny. I don't deny there are white supremacists out there. But are we talking about the same people?

But she doesn't care, as that's not her aim.

Says you who has posted very patronisingly, and clearly are derisive towards her. In fact, saying she was like Hopkins, I call that hostile.

If I remember correctly - KJK went live to say she needed money for a solicitor. Someone within a few minutes donated the full amount. So she said there and then any additional money would be used on this tour.

How is that fraud?

You have to be able to evidence fraud. Not just run around flailing in the wind shouting at people.

Same time next week then, lads?

BUH BYE!

More than likely

Bye all 👋

When people cannot answer for themselves, they have nothing.

Once you see it you cannot unsee it.