What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

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She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

Slagging off someone else isn't 'self deprecation'.

I only post in defence of KJK because I cannot stand the lies told about her and I think it's far more damaging to feminism when other women are the ones telling lies whilst claiming to be feminists.

I was very impressed by the statements made by AF4WR. They were clear about being left wing but they did not feel the need to trash KJK and they were quick to point out that the LWS event in Melbourne had been hijacked by neo Nazis who had nothing to do with the event.

What is it about "left wing feminists" in the UK that makes some of them so fucking toxic? I would not want friends like that, you would never know when they are going to stab you in the back, that's not feminism.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4740148-let-women-speak-australia-nz-tour?page=5&reply=124799102

Forgot link - see posts from the early hours.

As for what I do, I’m doing it, I’m changing my own workplace, I’m changing some of things my local council does. (Please do forgive me if I’m not comfortable sharing the detail here - real-life GCing is accompanied by some risk, after all

The irony. Oh sweet sweet irony.
So you cant be public about what your doing, but it's ok in your book for kjk to be very public and taking all the risk and still you besmirch her.

Slow handclap.

If you have become distanced from kjk whatever that means, then fine, good, fabulous. She wont care, she simply wants women to stand up and say no, in whatever way you find best. You allegedly are doing so, so you dont need her help.

I get the feeling that some people are a little averse to the truth being spoken or discussed because they require some fudging of reality to get by.

KJK is dangerous to them because she prioritises speaking the truth.

That’s why all the KJK hate.

+1

couldn’t agree more

100% this.

It's like they've held a mirror up to themselves, but think it's women that are reflecting back to them, whereas it's actually their own behaviour.

Yes. it was clear that that was the case.

I have come to understand that there are some posters who simply think they can make underhand remarks and that people will either not see that underhanded mess, or that is simply their nature. And they wonder why people respond negatively.

People keep talking about Kellie Jay having narcissistic tendencies, yet I see those underhand slights as being within that realm too. People sneer and make inflammatory remarks and then claim people responding negatively are piling on and unpleasant…

FUSING ?? Feminism with the far right?
That is what you see?

Sorry, I quoted wrong. It is actually «Fusing feminism with nazism».

But really.

I think the pp was saying that's a risible idea.

This is what I don't get, whose side are these 'Brighton' feminists really on?

Because shutting women or moaning that they make and have money, or are too successful and attractive, doesn't really seem to be a feminist position from where I'm sitting.

It just doesn't make sense.

Sorry @RayonSunrise I read it a bit too fast.

I think it's all become a 'left/right' thing in some women's eyes.

Very tribal. Much self-justification.

The idea that Kellie Jay supports Nazism, is, quite patently, absolutely risible.

It's beyond the realms.

But, to me, what's more shocking, is a) people claiming, it on this very thread, and b) other people smugly watching it play out, just because Kellie gets up their nose.

its anti-feminism. And so revealing.

forgive me if I’m not comfortable sharing the detail here - real-life GCing is accompanied by some risk, after all

The irony. Oh sweet sweet irony.

IKR? But nah, she's in it for the money 😁

It's ironic that this is stopping us talking about feminism and women's rights. I take my share of responsibility for that.

Well how about you pass this message back to your mates at AGCL too? Go tell them off for starting the threads so you can have more opportunity to discuss F&WR instead of being obliged to slate KJK constantly.

I agree re. KJK and the Nazi allegations. It's bad enough that the TRAs and allies like Billy Bragg make these accusations BUT for self professed 'feminists' to do so as well.

It's pretty disgusting actually and very revealing to whose side they are really on.

What more can KJK do, she is platforming any woman this means she can't refuse her audience. She has denounced the Nazi presence. What more can she do?????

It's clear to me that KJK has explicitly said she is NOT political. She will talk to anyone to get her message across. She doesn't call herself a feminist. She's not interested in other campaigns or issues. She has ONE issue that she cares about and ONE campaign - to Let Women Speak.

If you're a leftist or a feminist, KJK isn't anything to do with you. You can support her campaign or ignore it, doesn't matter. She doesn't have to be anything to do with you, in the same way that Calvin Robinson doesn't have to be anything to do with you.

Making demands on KJK about how she conducts her campaign, what she spends her money on, who she talks to etc is just absolutely missing the point by a million miles. If you are part of LWS, you get a voice and you can talk to KJK and put your view across to her and to other women. You can call Terftalk and say what you think to KJK directly. But ultimately KJK is just putting on events where women can speak. You either support that or you don't.

WPUK used to put on events and I went to some of them and thought they were crap, so I didn't go back. I didn't spend the next several years of my life trying to destroy WPUK's reputation or spread lies about them on social media. I just ignored them. It was very peaceful for all concerned.

I highly recommend this course of action to anyone who thinks KJK and her campaign are not for them. Just ignore her. Do something else. Join a different campaign or start something yourself or don't. Just be peaceful and let women get on with their campaigns in the way they see fit.

I think this thread shows veautifully the difference between academic feminism and street feminism.

One things it's far far cleverer than the other, and should therefore make all the rules.

Raises my hackles, actually.

Any good points are lost in the "better than you" attitude and the gaze down the nose at lesser mortals who are Just Too Stupid to understand things, so need Us to take charge.

I agree with this.

No external ears, so probably seals.

She can stop. Go home, lunch with her friends, have her manicures and pedicures done and hair coiffed at the salon, so that she can legitimately be slagged off by 'feminists'. Her helping women get a voice across the globe is making it much harder to criticise her. Irritating.

Yes indeed!

I believe many of us feel this way.

Which is why so many of us laugh when we are called worshippers. No. I think I can list many things I don’t agree wholeheartedly with or even not at all. But the constant barrage of lies is shocking to see.

That people lying, perpetuating lies because they lack their own critical thinking and research skills, or who simply swallow one group of feminist’s own ideology cannot understand the reaction their patronising and hostile posts evoke has been a lesson to me.

I think I have come to suspect, and I would like it not to be true, that that ideological following of the left is the same whether it is gender identity or some feminists. There are plenty of left leaning feminists who do the research and analyse statements looking at orginal sources and context and I appreciate those women very much.

I am talking about the ones who post the same old accusations. Because they feel that someone lauded as an academic or just a good hard working feminist has posted it or said it or repeated it. Clearly OP last night believed they were on a winner. But the complete lack of thought and original analysis showed the OP for who they really were.

And it wouldn’t have made much difference, except the patronising, the contempt and vilification all contained in the very first post.

She can stop. Go home, lunch with her friends, have her manicures and pedicures done and hair coiffed at the salon, so that she can legitimately be slagged off by 'feminists'. Her helping women get a voice across the globe is making it much harder to criticise her. Irritating.

Yes she can STFU.

What kind of feminism is that? Disgusting.

It doesn't matter if they (the feminists) don't agree with every word she says but it is NOT a feminist position imo to silence other women, even ones you don't agree with.

That they don't see that is simply baffling.