What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

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She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

It's clear to me that KJK has explicitly said she is NOT political.

and I think that’s the problem in a way

some of the people being very silly on this thread and elsewhere just can’t conceive of action that is completely divorced from left/right politics. They literally don’t and can’t get it

which leaves them with no sensible way to interpret what they see

which leads to them making dicks of themselves by drawing fucking stupid conclusions and repeatedly posting their idiocy on the internet

I agree that it is in ‘some women’s eyes’.

There seem to now be those on the left who are painting people who don’t agree with them as on the right.

Any person who portrays Kellie Jay Keen as ‘right wing’ is doing this. If anything, her values are still ‘left’ or centre left but she has to be distanced from the left by those who have personal grudges, or just personally ‘don’t like’ her. Because to them, they have to ‘like’ someone to support them.

How do people operate in real life?

Definitely tribal and it is not the people demanding evidence that are in a ‘tribe’ despite being called ‘you lot’. It is those who have a very low bar for evidence around vilification that seem to be acting in this way. I hope they don’t actually live like this in real life.

Bollocks. She's savvy, and she's building an audience. The right wing pundits are the access to her audience. That's where the $$$ and the gravy train is

Finally, 20 pages in we get to the heart of it, jealousy and avarice.

We could have saved so much time, so much typing, although boiled does have a way with gifs, we would have missed that for sure.

Someone called this on the first page, I dont recall who, but you win.

I believe many of us feel this way.

Which is why so many of us laugh when we are called worshippers.

Same. I don't subscribe to her channel or watch most of her vids. I think she's does a bloody good job giving the microphone to unheard women tho.

It's the visceral reaction from others which gets to me. The outright lying, the deliberate misrepresentation, the jealousy. All wrapped up in some kind of pretend concern that she's damaging a cause that they aren't interested in campaigning for themselves. They don't constantly go around giving ordinary women a loudhailer. It's unique.

Jesus. When I last went to a WPUK meeting, they gave the microphone to an AGP. I can't imagine Kellie ever doing that!

For certain tribal people, the whole concept of a fundamentally non-partisan political campaign is traitorous.

So being willing to talk to and try and convince people on both sides of the political aisle, go on their shows, and so on, is simply a no-go. In this case they are imagining it must be anti-feminist, but you might see a similar kind of complaint if someone was campaigning in this way as an environmentalist in a non-partisan way.

I suspect it actually doesn't compute for these people. They don't want a society where a broad range of views discuss issues and find a way forward together. They want their side to win and the others to be converted or crushed. This is why when people like this get real power they produce gulags.

And power is absolutely part of it. They don't want a feminism that is broadly inclusive of women from across the political and social spectrum, they want it to be their movement where they get to define what is good for women and claim to be the voice of women, or all the women that count, anyway. The fact that there are all these women newly interested in participating in the discourse scares the shit out of them.

That’s it Demi colon

i like what KJK does

she lets women speak an£ you don’t have to be a feminist or left wing or right wing or have any wings at all

such a good post

you lot (ok in this context?) are doing an excellent job of helping me understand my thinking around this

my instinct is ‘this toxic twerp is trying to tell me what to think, quick, break out the gifs!’

it’s helpful to understand why posts like the OP’s put my back up quite so much

these are people who actively don’t want a plurality of views

The fact that there are all these women newly interested in participating in the discourse scares the shit out of them.

That's an interesting take, and I've heard it elsewhere. That 'feminism' is getting away from those who want to control it.

There's a definite feeling of being restricted. And if you don't allow yourself to be restricted then you can fuck off. And be criticised for it into the bargain. Especially if you make a fuss.

The trans issue has led to a lot of women acquiring 'late onset feminism'.
Not raised on feminist, academic books or philosophy or indeed, for many, any strong politics at all.

But with the onslaught of genderism, you can't miss the wholesale erasure of women. It's bound to attract women across the board. Every class, every educational standard, and every political viewpoint, or none.

Surely, it would be much smarter, more effective, and in the long run absolutely brilliant, to harness the fury of these women instead of alienating them.

I think I have come to suspect, and I would like it not to be true, that that ideological following of the left is the same whether it is gender identity or some feminists.

I'm sorry to say I think you are correct. I've been thinking it for about a year and it frightens me because it's so authoritarian.

Great post Demi.

The trans issue has led to a lot of women acquiring 'late onset feminism'.
Not raised on feminist, academic books or philosophy or indeed, for many, any strong politics at all.

I'd class myself as one of these women, I was always left leaning. Now disenfranchised.

Certainly no academic books. When I was young I thought there was a level of equality, how wrong I was.

It's motherhood and having a gender non conforming daughter that have brought me to feminism, so it is the trans issue. I don't identify with the kind of feminism that shuts women up though because of not being the 'right kind of feminist'.

The trans issue has led to a lot of women acquiring 'late onset feminism'.
Not raised on feminist, academic books or philosophy or indeed, for many, any strong politics at all.

This pretty much sums me up. I still don't see myself as a feminist though. Mostly due to the actions of the feminists slagging KJK off.

We could try thinking about kittens and sparkly things.

I think you are sadly correct.

Some parts of the left don't WANT to convince those on the right or reach consensus.

They don't even really want to win the fight and have women protected, they want to be sitting on top of a shit heap and put in a lot of effort to maintain that shit heap with the correct political stance and the correct views.

Personally, I'm heartily fucking sick of the shit heap, and wish politicians of all stripes would wise up and be sensible on the issues so we could move on and address OTHER also very pressing issues.

I think for me it's been an opposite process. I've been a 'feminist' all my adult life. Not sure I give two hoots about how I describe myself or others see me, anymore.

Me too

Yes, I acquired it too. It's highly contagious.

And that's the problem with guarding feminism and making it pure. All these freshly enlightened women have lead their entire lives without treading that pure path.

For many, however newly aware they might have become, recognising patterns and seeing the light, it's simply not possible to go from being a product of a patriarchal society, to attempting to overthrow it at every turn.

That's why KJK has such wide appeal. She's familiar, she's recognisable and she's non-judgemental.

It's so shortsighted to reject women who are beginning to understand. It's like taking the license away from a learner driver because they can't do a three point turn.

KJK has been v supportive of my DD, on phone ins and inviting her to be the first speaker at her Glasgow event.
DD is the Women’s Officer for her local Communist Party. By OP’s logic, that makes KJK a Leftie, no?!

Or it makes your daughter a Nazi, who knows! 🤣

Purity only seems to go in one direction, I'm afraid. Because sections of the left see themselves very much on the side of the angels, and the right as damned to hell.

Anything that isn't repeatedly reciting the correct catechism risks being tainted with morally impure thought.

It's the only thing that explains the panic at being somehow afflicted or tainted with contagious views. It's more a religious approach than a rational one.

As in - if a Nazi stands next to you, you'll catch fascism, somehow. If you plead forgiveness and chant a few hail Marys, you may repurify your soul.

I think for me it's been an opposite process. I've been a 'feminist' all my adult life. Not sure I give two hoots about how I describe myself or others see me, anymore.

I can totally understand this.

I wish that would be the case!

The skewed reality according to some people though is that there would have to be 100,000 stories such as your DD’s to counter the rumours, guilt by association and bad faith takes embraced and spread by the AGCL. A group that seems now to only exist to bully women who don’t agree with them.

And they’re mates who cannot ever acknowledge the extent this has gone and the hatred that fuels it.

This is why trans ideology and recruitment of trans activists is so easy to spread in the left. Lots of original TRAs seem more at home in the right, but they couldn’t get the huge traction that is possible in the left.

The left has all these goodies like blind loyalty, mindless parroting, ideology over pragmatism, ritual shaming and ostracism which work a treat. It’s like the political version of a perpetual motion machine.

It's so shortsighted to reject women who are beginning to understand. It's like taking the license away from a learner driver because they can't do a three point turn.

Great analogy!

I know one thing, SfW didn't conjure these Nazis up, they didn't coalesce out of nothing because of anything KJK did. These Nazis are Australian born and Australian bred and quite comfortable parading on Australian streets being facilitated, being ignored by Australian Police and Australian antifa.

SfW and KJK have nothing to apologise for, the Nazis will still be there when she's gone.