What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

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She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

Is anyone preventing you from doing this?
If you have a better idea, crack on.
Theres room for your ideas and kjks ideas at the same time.

Sorry, what is it that I think about KJK that might be wrong?

OP, given the Twitter account you linked to is also tweeting about Zelensky being a nazi puppet, #istandwithrussia etc, do you think you might also want to consider you're being used and your own views damaged etc?

They fall for it every time.

She is only trying to show the lengths that people will go to shut women down.

And the more threads you start telling people off the more you are making her point for her. And for free!

Well done OP.

I reckon that anyone who ever sticks their neck out to achieve anything, will have snide little snippy convos like that, between the people helping them with the vision. KJK is clear that she trusts herself and makes the decisions. She is not interested in deciding by committee.

From my position as an outsider, I see how that really works as a strength and how members groups requiring consensus end up unwieldy, missing opportunities and getting bogged down by their internal politics.

Backstabbing comes with the territory and you need to have guts and resilience and grace to carry on anyway. I am impressed at KJK’s perseverance.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages.

So if people don't want Nazis to turn up near them, they just need to say so? You're saying her not saying so is the cause of them turning up? Or do you think there might be another reason?

Not seeing any actual issue here, OP.

KJK has brought the very real safety issues facing women and girls into the spotlight, and continues to do so. She quite literally lets women speak and allows those voices to be heard.

What exactly are you doing to keep women and girls safe? (You don't have to answer - we can guess).

How do you define 'women' and 'single sex'?

One major way it happens is through identifying those with the power to make change and then working out what you need to do to get them to understand the issues and get them onside. i.e. lobbying. It happens at every level from school administration / governing bodies, to local councils, to political parties and in parliament itself. It's slow, considered work that takes months and years, and doesn't get shouted about on social media.

Many, many women of all political stripes do this work day in and day out, and that's where the real change happens. KJK's continued public association with the far right puts this work at risk. If you actually care about making change, understanding this matters.

What are KJK's campaign aims? How does she intend to make them happen?

She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.
She's built her own movement. Very successfully.
blindly following KJK
'blindly'? No. She's as subject to scrutiny as anyone else, and so far has been pretty reliable.
courting the far right
I was watching, and I didn't see that. But she will talk to anyone who can get the message out, because the situation for women and children now is absolutely desperate. All hands to the deck.
I want the women's movement to grow and flourish,
Kellie-Jay has brought more women to awareness of women's situation than anyone else, as far as I can tell. And given women opportunities to get together and share their concerns in public, thus spreading awareness at all levels and 'growing' the movement for all.
I want to women's single sex spaces protected
Good. Campaign for that, with KJ or others. Just do it.
I want those in power to hear our concerns
Good. Speak up then. And stop criticising other women. Are you, personally, actually having as much impact as KJK? Come back when you are.
I think following KJK is counter productive
Think what you like.

I like Kellie-Jay Keen. I think she has a clear focus for her campaign and it's one I agree with, 'Protect women's sex-based rights and safeguard children.' She works for this through the 'Let Women Speak' meetings and through the publicity she generates, and funds her work with her 'be the billboard' merchandising and donations. This campaign matters to me, and I will be pleased if she fulfils the promise 'I never lose!' If KJK wins this, all other women and children will have won, too. After that, if she moves abroad, if she goes on to political or other success in the spotlight, or settles down quietly to focus on her knitting, good luck to her. Many women have done excellently, but Kellie-Jay has excelled most of them already, and I hope to see her further success in the future.

Why are you asking us?

You can ask KJK these questions yourself, get your answer straight from the horses mouth.
She's easily found on YouTube and Instagram etc.

Or is that too much work for you?

And you are of course doing your bit? Hows that working out for you?

And to answer the question, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Wont be the first time, we all remember Tony Blair and going to war on a doctored dossier right?

Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for view

I love the idea that we should defer to the opinions of a few random blokes, who had probably never even heard of the GC movement a week ago.

Yes, if you don't want nazis turning up, you need to say so.

Women explained, months ago, that when the far right turn up at KJK's events, if she doesn't publicly denounce them, they will think they're welcome and keep coming.

KJK responded by saying everyone is welcome.

And so, the far right continue to turn up.

Do you see them at any other women's events? No. And none of the other women's groups have a problem with denouncing them. Why does KJK?

This is one of those purity spiral things, isn't it?

One major way it happens is through identifying those with the power to make change and then working out what you need to do to get them to understand the issues and get them onside. i.e. lobbying. It happens at every level from school administration / governing bodies, to local councils, to political parties and in parliament itself. It's slow, considered work that takes months and years, and doesn't get shouted about on social media.

If every rights movement so far had done that and that alone we'd have made very little progress.

Right now, women and girls don't have time to wait for the slow machinations of reformist liberal feminist lobbying.

You do you.

The screenshots are from KJK's female SFW stewards, not the male hench men she has front and centre at her events.

KJK has denounced the Nazis. Is that enough?

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Oh yes, that makes sense.
Of course OP will never say what they do to fix this, it's all always what other women do, badly apparently.

So again OP, what is it you do?

Do public denunciations count towards my 75 minutes of cardio per week?

Gosh if only we'd known in 1940 that all you had to do to make Nazis go away was ask them.

Is the suggestion here that KJ likes Nazis? If so I'd rather you just said that and provided the evidence for this nazi support.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages.

1st Rule of Misogyny OP: Women are responsible for what men do.

Bad men came to a women's meeting and so the women are to blame. I see.

Give it a rest, I am not falling for it

What do you think is more powerful in terms of creating change? Shouting at people from outside a building, or talking to them inside it?

You're very naive if you think it's the latter.

I've been on plenty of demos in my time, the two should work together. But at the moment they're not. KJK's continued associations with the far right is smearing us all, and that's not going to help any of us make change.

They're not 'hench men', they're paid security guards. Who are necessary because of the violent threats to even attendees.

Do you know care that, despite these men, a man rushed the stage, knocking a female speaker unconscious?

Posie was barred from here years ago, which is why so many people love coming on here to slag her off. If you're on Twitter she'll answer your concerns.

So, OP.

Let's discuss the rally YOU are arranging and running.

Let's look at YOUR YouTube channel's output.

Oh, and let's not forget your radio and TV appearances, being a thorn in the side of complacency and sexism.

What's that? You don't do anything yourself? You don't have a YouTube channel, or radio interviews or TV appearances?

Why the HELL NOT?