What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

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She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

if you don't want nazis turning up, you need to say so

If only Poland had thought of that.

Shush, op. The women are speaking and they say get fucked with your silencing tactics.

I used to love her

Time to move on.

*KJK's 'campaign aims' are to let women speak. Hence 'Let Women Speak'.

And she does that by, you know, letting women speak.

Everywhere she goes. For the entire time she's there.

It's not complicated.*

Came here to say the very same. Thanks Datun.

We have been complaining for years about the not allowing the debates around gender to be had. Mumsnet has been a sanctuary to allow us to talk about these issues without risking our personal or professional reputations. I’m my industry I would be sacked if I said I was gender critical. But now it seems that there a many posters who no longer want debate just another echo chamber. The OP has been called pathetic, a troll, lazy and told to shove her comments where the sun doesn’t shine. Why can’t we have discussions without becoming hostile, patronising, dismissive and rude? If the OP is wrong shouldn’t we be discussing why rather than all these agro messages derailing the thread and attempting to bully the OP out of speaking.

I don't know if it's you personally doing all the legwork, OP, but you do realise, don't you, these KJK bashing threads show up almost daily?

Tedious and transparent. But my main takeaway is the number of people who keep boosting her, in order, apparently, to shut her down!

It's like the Darwin awards.

This tweet is so spot on

that she has no human connection with people

Well that's not what I've seen when watching some of her videos. She is often visibly moved by the speeches.

and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US

She's been doing this for years and has been put through a lot of shit doing it. You seriously believe it's all just because she wants to be a talking head in the US?

Could be worse she could be blowing stuff up for attention, like the Suffragettes did.

silly women, talking about their rights and causing trouble.

Surely the maya forstater court case says that you cant be sacked for your beliefs.

I don't really have much of a view about KJK. I like the fact that she is hosting events for women to speak at but beyond that I don't have much feeling about her either way.

What is interesting though is that the more people come onto MN to tell me I shouldn't like her for 'reasons' the more I think well some people just really don't want women to speak and the more I value what she does for women.

Haven't RTFT but 'actual nazis'?

'Nazi' has been slung about as an insult since all this batshittery started. So it's lost its power. Which is scary, since genuine Nazis hold deeply dangerous and unpleasant views. But my default now is to shrug and go, 'Not that crap again!'

See what happen when words have their meanings changed or devalued?

KJK's continued associations with the far right is smearing us all, and that's not going to help any of us make change.

Only person I see doing any smearing, or rather poorly attempted smearing, is the OP.

OP if you really want to change people's opinions then you'll need to do much much better.

At least get photographic proof of her petting a neighbour's brother's wife's sister's husband's aunt's vicar's Nazi's councillors dog.

Then we'll talk.

"Yes, if you don't want nazis turning up, you need to say so."

If only someone had thought of that in 1939.

Trans Aussies are Aussies, mate.

And yet this happened...rapists in female prisons...men in women's spaces...kids getting lifelong treatments because they have been told they can change sex.

All these women need to hang their heads in shame. As their messages have been for nothing.

What you need to get them to understand is women, bog standard common and garden, working class, voting women to say 'no'.

And when they do, and more men invade their spaces proving their point, you think that should shut them up?

Are you on crack pet?

The OP is smearing someone, where the OP knows that someone cannot respond.

If the OP has a problem with KJK, the OP can call her and tell her. She holds an open space [when not on world tours] where anyone can call and talk to her.

If the OP wants to let me know when she is available, I'll arrange with KJK for her to go on and they can have a chat about it. Mind you, not one person who smears her here has ever got back to me with a date so I'm assuming it is all show.

Do you see them at any other women's events? No. And none of the other women's groups have a problem with denouncing them. Why does KJK?

Yes, here for example Patriotic Alternative piggy back wherever they can.

The far left zealots and totalitarian TWAW seem to enjoy the events organised by women too. They love to violently show how pure and righteous they are.

"courting the far right" - I was watching, and I didn't see that. But she will talk to anyone who can get the message out, because the situation for women and children now is absolutely desperate. All hands to the deck." :/

TWAW activists I meant to say.

That tweet has 3 likes.

I follow over 3,000 gender critical accounts on twitter and I've never seen that account and none of my followers and following it.

So why exactly is this worthy of a thread?

To be fair I said she could put her forced teaming where the sun does not shine

where she chooses to put her disingenuous comments is entirely up to her (but I’m happy to provide suggestions)

So a screen shot of two people bitching about a third person is supposed to do what exactly? Make us think that the two people being bitchy are preferable to the third person not in the conversation? I have no idea about any of these people but your OP reeks of wanting everyone else to start bitching about the third person. Perhaps grow up and stop slagging people off?

I got as far as the 'charismatic leader' bit. 😂

We're back to the SS running around Europe violently stickering and misgendering again, aren't we?

Will someone please sit the genderologists down and re cap on their year 5 homework on what the Nazi movement actually was, and what it was about, and what happened? Because it's just become a word to mean 'bad people'. It's weaponising millions of brutally murdered people in a silly political movement that does not like plain spoken, blunt middle aged women getting information into the public domain.

Just waiting for some actual proof that KJK is the wrong sort of woman