What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

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She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

Dinky di, true blue maaaaaate

I’d rather people would stand outside government buildings and talk about what they are trying to change. It’s the back room lobbying and deals with people in power that got us the equivalent of self-Id in so many institutions.

oh, and if anyone has a decent way of measuring where people fit on the political spectrum, I’d be really interested. It sounds like we need to agree on a point ‘on the political spectrum’ that someone becomes far-right or far-left. If we then measure everyone, we can know exactly who we should denounce and we can denounce them in one go. Otherwise, we’ll all have to investigate every person involved and make a judgement and denounce them one at a time, which seems a bit time-consuming. Especially, as I’ve not heard of so many of these groups.

Boiledbeetle

You are queen of the GIFs today.

Anyone remember the stupid notes you used to pass to your best mate when you were about 10/11 and bored in class and annoyed at Jane the teachers pet (example below).

That's what that tweet screenshot reminded me of

Will there be voting ?

Aw shucks

I already had that person blocked on twitter. Can't remember why but there will have been a good reason.

Reckon the OP is back at the HQ of welljelofkel.com frantically looking for an argument.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

That's sooo going to become a thing. 😂

Yeah don't you remember? When the Nazis rolled into France some French kid on the border said "no nazis" in a French accent and the Nazis had to go home for dinner. No invading France for you!

Overall I think KJK is a very good thing because she brought the issue into the mainstream and has not been afraid to elucidate how ridiculous trans ideology is. Yes, she's pretty hardline, but I think every movement needs its hardliners.

Someone needs to claim that as a domain name.

And yes probably trying to start an argument in an empty room.

@Climbles I dislike being told my thinking is wrong, then being told to explain myself like a naughty child.

These kind of starter posts are ten a penny with their made up claims and false links. There's plenty here if you fancy a read.

You aren't supposed to refer to TRAs that way no matter how they act when they picket women who just want to speak.

Stop trying to tell people that only the 'right' kind of woman is allowed to have an opinion.

Most of the people here do not agree with everything I say & plenty of people here have opinions I strongly disagree with.

Doesn't mean we don't all want to protect biological women & children from something we view as not good for them.

Why don't you run & tell people not to trust Vanessa George near their babies?
After all, she's out & about in the Midlands last I heard, hopefully nowhere near babies.
At least you would have a good reason to be concerned, backed up with genuine proof she was someone to worry about.
That is a woman who really is toxic.

In the free marketplace of ideas I look forwards to the OP putting as much effort as KJK does into their own events for women's right to show us what they think is a better way.
And if it is a better way, people will gravitate towards it.

Loving the fact we are all under the influence of someone's charismatic charm and cannot make decisions for ourselves based on our own research.

How hilarious that you then try to empathise with us about how you have been led astray too, just how easily it is done.

Do you understand what happens when people tell women who to listen to, who to follow, who to not listen to, patronise other women and to police their tone? Because I can point you to many threads where a live demonstration is conducted on line.

And the posters nearly every single time then express wonder at the negative reaction they get.

OP whatever your reason for posting here, I don't believe that many posters on this board are not fully aware of Kellie Jay Keen's motivations, her strengths and her weaknesses. Her successes and her missteps. But do you know what we do support?

Her concept of allowing women to speak at her rallies. Any female. Without judgement from her. Even on her call line she allows dissenting voices if they are not abusive.

So, your portrayal of posters as 'die hard fans' is just your lack of understanding at the motivations of what support of her means to many posters.

If you have a criticism of her, present it without vilifying her. Just neutrally present it.

Your OP is certainly not balanced nor is it convincing at all.

What's an "actual" nazi?
Because I do not think that word means what you think it means. - Inigo Montoya 1987

Oooooh Inigo..........

What a hunky dunk. Hmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm.

Sorry, drifted off for a mo. Where were we?

Do you then apply the symmetrical logic to extreme trans activists?

No?

She is saying everyone is welcome to come and listen and if they are female, to come and talk. It is as easy as that. Just like a town hall meeting that allows all resident's voices to be heard.

Therefore, if that invitation is being used to vilify her for the far right groups attending (not invited specifically), do you then blame her for the extreme trans activists that turn up.

And if so, what about FILIA? Extreme trans activists turned up there, did FILIA invite them ? Isn't this your logic extrapolated out?

Also, if a far right wing person speaks (or just attends) at any meeting where people can speak up does that automatically make it a far right meeting? What about if an ANTIFA or Extinction Rebellion person speaks or just attends? Is it then a far left meeting?

What about if a member of each turns up? What is that labelled?

😁They seem to be a little group of snarky individuals who for some reason keep turning up on here to lecture mumsnetters. And there's always a repressed rage when speaking about KJK - real mean girl stuff.

The viper pit never goes well for them... but still they try.

This.

I have ‘serious concerns’ about anyone who posts on FWR using the phrase ‘our movement’.

Quite.

I think Poland might have something to say about this 'well you just say no, you don't want to be invaded today'.

Ffs.

There are no 'actual nazis', this movement was specific to time and place and an absolutely horrific group of people who perpetrated the massacre of millions.

There are a bunch of wanabe LARPers who like the image and the outfits and the behaviours they get to role play. In terms of 'groups who like to role play violence and smashing stuff up' they're just one of a number currently in play, mostly people who... well. This stuff does not fit well around regular working hours and family life, shall we say?

oh my! You just don't actually understand her impact do you? deliberately maybe.

The two DO work together. They ARE working together. Women are meeting together due to the influence of Kellie Jay Keen providing them a voice to speak or to listen to others and to get involved.

"KJK's continued associations with the far right is smearing us all, and that's not going to help any of us make change."

And is Kellie Jay Keen at the moment fronting parliamentary committee meetings? Is she speaking to law makers and policy decision makers directly at this time?

Or is she doing her own thing that has the knock on effect of getting women involved and motivated. She is merely providing the vehicle, the communication channel.

If you don't want to listen to her - fine. No worries. Go away and do your very own thing. Many other women have done and will do.

But you are not doing that. You are here trying to undermine a woman's effort.

If you don't find her warm and engaging in real life, so what? Why does she have to be warm and engaging to strangers in real life knowing how much risk is involved with her being out in public meeting new people?

Tell us very clearly, have you verified what you have posted? At all? Have I missed your verification?

Why should we believe this is credible even if it did matter one iota?

I wonder what she has to do before her die hard fans realise they're being taken for a ride.

Please don't patronise us. No one thinks KJK is perfect. Who is? You are getting pushback because we don't appreciate a woman who is highly effective being smeared by lies and half truths.

Have you given even a second of consideration to the very ordinary women who scraped up every ounce of courage they had to speak at her events. They knew they would encounter violence and aggression for having the temerity to express an opinion or talk about their own experiences but they did it anyway, for me, for you and for themselves.

You are undermining them, not KJK.

I'm out of patience with this shit so please fuck off.