What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

twitter.com/Fair_Maiden1/status/1637529465126285312

She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

@ILikeDungs bloody well said 👏

And you know that how, exactly? The names are hidden. They could be anyone. And they were written nearly 2 months ago. KJK arrived in Australia around March 10.

Bore off.

She clearly is having an effect given the number of people trying to shut her down. Not happening.

She blocked me on twitter for raising my concerns.

And do you know why she was banned on here? I don't, but I do remember her being here and I'd hazard a guess it'd be just a likely for her dodgy Islamophobic views, or simply being vile to other posters, as for her GC views.

working out what you need to do to get them to understand the issues and get them onside

Things that need to be done to get them to understand the issues:

1. Break the silence so that things can be discussed in the first place.
2. Ensure that a clear and consistent meaning of words is agreed and understood to enable meaningful discussion.
3. Gathering real world evidence of what ordinary people ‘on he streets’ think and experience.
4. Normalising frank and truthful conversations to banish hidden agendas.

I could go on…

It's great that there are different people with different approaches involved in fighting to reclaim women's rights. It's not a 'movement', it's lots of different people protesting in their own way against an ideological nonsense. I don't give a shit about the other political beliefs of anyone fighting transgenderism, I can still agree with them on this issue.

The best thing KJK has done is to refuse to be cowed by 'kindness' or 'politeness' into agreeing that a man is any kind of a woman. She is also brilliant at attracting publicity, which at the time of no debate, when so much of the trans rights activists aims had been achieved without any public awareness, was essential.

I think you're missing the point of giving voice to women and raising awareness.

I haven't seen any shouting at buildings.

There's plenty of room for other groups to put on their own awareness raising, free, empowering, non-didactic events. But they don't. Why is that?

KJK's continued associations with the far right

What associations? Do you mean when they turned up at a public event? The TRAs turned up too - does that mean she is associating with them too?

Still waiiiiting......

What's your campaign strategy, OP?

A twitter account with 529 followers has managed to access a private text exchange between people allegedly associated with KJK? Conveniently anonymised of course.

KJK is effective at raising awareness and giving woman a platform to speak.

I don't worship her so no I'm not at all worried about being wrong. I expect she's as flawed as the rest of us.

KJK's continued associations with the far right is smearing us all, and that's not going to help any of us make change.

Your smearing of KJK is not going to help any of us make change. FIFY

Sure you do.

KJK is shining sunlight on violent males - from both the right and the left.

She was absolutely firm that women and girls matter, the language she used always promoted that. If she was brusque, well so am I. Not a crime to be brusque. And since she was banned from here she has done wonders.

What have you done? <<<<millionth time of asking.

Oh god, another let's denounce KJK thread.

I have no idea what that twitter link is supposed to show us, apart from 2 anonymous people having a moan about someone else.

FWIW I don't follow or hero worship KJK. I do think she has made a difference in getting this issue mainstream and her straight talking is effective when you want to engage outside of feminist academic circles.

You’re not in our movement. Kjk is great at what she does- takes a lot to stand up to misogynist men every day.

The elephant in the room is, that on all these threads, and all the media about KJK tour- yet again, the ORDINARY WOMEN speaking, and what they say at the events is being ignored and drowned out by all the stupid politics.

I'm now thinking, the truly radical act should be for us all to just fat out refuse to be drawn into it at all- to refuse to engage, and to just stubbornly keep quoting from, and linking to the actual speeches of the women at the events.

Every time someone goads- just respond with a clip from one of the women speaking.

Just keep taking it back to that.

People who are threatened are trying to keep drawing the focus away from the women (who represent us) who are at the centre of- the whole reason for these events. And it's working. We need to resist the pull.

Analytics on how often the women speaking are referred to or shown in these discussions would be very revealing I think.

The women's speeches are the only response needed.

Ah well, you obviously have no idea what she does, which explains your ignorance.

KJK's 'campaign aims' are to let women speak. Hence 'Let Women Speak'.

And she does that by, you know, letting women speak.

Everywhere she goes. For the entire time she's there.

It's not complicated.

I looked at the link and my first thought was, I could easily replicate it with my own two phones. Without some form of confirmation of who is texting who it's useless as a gotcha

Like this one:
twitter.com/salltweets/status/1636966573629149184?s=20

Yes, if you don't want nazis turning up, you need to say so.

And the nazis respect that, and don't turn up where they're not wanted? That was what I was asking.

Yes 100% this - she holds events to "let women speak".

Seems to make the men angry - apparently their anger is the woman's fault.

Same shit we've had to put up with for centuries. Men can't be held accountable, can they?

Even Julie Bindel, who famously can't stand KJK, has tweeted in her support.

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1637511234902687744?s=20

OP, as far as I'm concerned you're just another gossip smearing other women. It's not a good look.

Yes, the complete failure to use illogical bullshit as an argument isn't that surprising!

Men turn up to stop these women speaking. Therefore we should stop these women speaking if we want to promote women.

OP - what the fuck have you achieved, then?

Aside from attempting to smear someone who is unapologetically FOR WOMEN?

Grow up.