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ZombieMumEB · 2023-02-11T06:41:04+00:00

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending. Anyone else?

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:30

Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 19:16

As others have said, she needs to specifically denounce them but clearly she's not going to or would have done so by now, so I'm guessing she's enjoying all the speculation and controversy. Also equally obvious is that there are many clearly not horrified by this, who want to dismiss those with genuine concerns as either being TRAs or snowflakes.

I've seen far too many on here willing to dismiss the obvious danger in not vehemently and specifically telling the Nazis they are not welcome, which is easily done if you're not bullheaded, stubborn, or wanting to court controversy regardless of consequence - by the way, that danger won't just be incurred by people who don't have the luxury of existing in a white middle class bubble, it includes the harm that will be done to the gender critical movement and therefore all women. There's another truth here - toxic people tend to create disharmony and division, I'm now thinking that's as true for the TRA misogynists as it is for KJK.

I've overlooked a lot that has made me uncomfortable, including the dismissals of radical feminist women of colour regarding who she was interviewing and being interviewed by, (I mean seriously she shared screen time with a white supremacist and then claims she didn't know, really, in the age of Google?!!!! Yet I admit, I overlooked this, wanting to believe her, as I didn't believe she could condone those gross beliefs and I believed she was effective. However though I am more than sure KJK won't give one f**k that support stops when you refuse to take one simple action that will add much needed clarity to a situation - denounce specifically, tell Nazis they are not welcome at events. And yes, there isn't a doubt, sorry if you are sieg heiling, you are a Nazi and some of these scum are known Nazis.

If you don't do that, I think that means, you either don't think they are scum the way normal people do, or you need them there to create controversy which will divide people and women further and cause more political tribalism.

I mean, the mocking of people with genuine concerns over this, the scornful dismissal about people who obviously aren't TRAs, who are gender critical themselves on here has become so bad that I am genuinely wondering if the far right infiltrated Mumsnet now? You're not a bunch of 4chan trolls triggering "snowflakes" but that is what this is coming across as - you do know there is precedent in not denouncing Nazis in the strongest terms don't you? Or do the potential consequences of that just not affect you?

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Hear hear.

What's going on in FWR at the moment is devastating.

Gutted they can't see it.

Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 20:30

beastlyslumber · 23/03/2023 20:24

https://www.standingforwomen.com/terf-talk-tuesday

There you go. Looking forward to hearing your call.

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Thank you.

beastlyslumber · 23/03/2023 20:32

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GourmetLettuceMix · 23/03/2023 20:35

@Minirrriot not sure if you can listen to this outside of NZ
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018883114/anti-transgender-activist-on-stoush-around-her-entering-nz

Anti-transgender activist on stoush around her entering NZ

Anti-transgender activist Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, better known as Posie Parker, says she quote "can't wait to meet the amazing women of New Zealand". The controversial British activist is set to fly into New Zealand this morning after Immigration New...

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018883114/anti-transgender-activist-on-stoush-around-her-entering-nz

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:36

FOJN · 23/03/2023 20:18

Also I quite feel like protesting her (KJK) myself now - and I've been gender critical since 2015. To me, this part of the gender critical movement and her part in it is clearly becoming more toxic by the minute.

You could kill two birds with one stone and phone in on the next TERF talk to let her know how you feel and also ask her is she considers herself part of the GC movement. I don't think she describes herself as anything other than a woman's rights campaigner. I wouldn't describe myself as GC either, I'm more of a gender abolitionist.

Your continued attempts to insist she is somehow part of a shared movement and her actions are reflecting badly on you is giving me "insecure person in a dysfunctional relationship" vibe, they seem to live by the push/pull of "fuck off, don't leave me". The lefty feminists don't want her but they can't let her go either. Time to grow up and leave her alone.

The lefty feminists have explained, many times, how the optics of, for example, KJK on the front page of a paper alongside neo nazis affects the work other campaigners on this topic.

But you choose to not believe them and go with a classic narc narrative instead "they're just jealous".

It's fucking bollocks. All of this is. I'm ashamed I ever had anything to do with this place.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 20:36

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:30

Hear hear.

What's going on in FWR at the moment is devastating.

Gutted they can't see it.

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Getting this issue onto the front pages of Australian media is devastating for you?

Are you sure you are in the right place?

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:37

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Been here nearly 16 years myself - and you?

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:38

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 20:36

Getting this issue onto the front pages of Australian media is devastating for you?

Are you sure you are in the right place?

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Yes, when the story is associating feminists with nazis. FFS. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 20:39

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:36

The lefty feminists have explained, many times, how the optics of, for example, KJK on the front page of a paper alongside neo nazis affects the work other campaigners on this topic.

But you choose to not believe them and go with a classic narc narrative instead "they're just jealous".

It's fucking bollocks. All of this is. I'm ashamed I ever had anything to do with this place.

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The lefty feminists?

Are these people that have self assigned themselves leaders as I didn't have a vote.

I'm a lefty feminist and am over the moon that this issue is now being talked about in Australia.

Also - did you miss - that the neo nazis are nothing to do with KJK.

Nothing. To. Do. With. Her.

They are just another type of man who invaded their space. Are you having trouble with this concept?

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 20:41

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:38

Yes, when the story is associating feminists with nazis. FFS. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

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KJK doesn't identfy as a feminist.

The nazis certainly don't associate with feminists.

Do you not understand this?

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:41

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 20:39

The lefty feminists?

Are these people that have self assigned themselves leaders as I didn't have a vote.

I'm a lefty feminist and am over the moon that this issue is now being talked about in Australia.

Also - did you miss - that the neo nazis are nothing to do with KJK.

Nothing. To. Do. With. Her.

They are just another type of man who invaded their space. Are you having trouble with this concept?

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If they're nothing to do with her, then why were women warning exactly this would happen, back in September? Are we clairvoyant, now?

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 20:43

If they're nothing to do with her, then why were women warning exactly this would happen, back in September? Are we clairvoyant, now?

Sorry, exactly what would happen?

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 20:45

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:41

If they're nothing to do with her, then why were women warning exactly this would happen, back in September? Are we clairvoyant, now?

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What, women knew men would invade women's spaces last September?

Just like they have been doing for years?

This isn't news petal, it is the very point KJK is making.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 20:45

The politician choosing a court shoe for storming a grass based event and then ending up crawling around on the floor was unexpected, surely? I mean if you predicted that….kudos

FOJN · 23/03/2023 20:45

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Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 20:45

GourmetLettuceMix · 23/03/2023 20:35

@Minirrriot not sure if you can listen to this outside of NZ
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018883114/anti-transgender-activist-on-stoush-around-her-entering-nz

Is this recent i.e was it recorded after the scum turned up the other day (the all black wearing Nazis doing salutes) and does she (KJK) actually tell any Nazis not to come to events because if not, it's yet another non-denouncement and I really don't want to bother to listen through another non-denouncement.

I did the other day (when the all black video came out) only for not a peep to be said - and I sat through the whole thing. I believe this video was made after the event, in fact I am 99.9% certain that was the case.

If this is the same denouncement (aka not good enough so-called denouncement) that was made before said scum turned up, please someone just 'ave a word and say so as I really don't want to bother.

I feel and fear I am correct on assuming this, otherwise surely everyone here (well most) would be quoting from this new denouncement, if only to gleefully shove it down my throat to prove how wrong I am about KJK and let me know, to say "see look, she has told the fascists not to bother coming."

beastlyslumber · 23/03/2023 20:49

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:37

Been here nearly 16 years myself - and you?

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Never heard of you. Never seen you on FWR. Never seen any of your campaigns for women's rights.

Anyone else know gwrachod?

Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 20:51

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KJK is nothing to do with left wings feminists so she can do what the fuck she likes whether you approve or not. And news flash, she doesn't take advice from me either.

So true - I wouldn't dream of expecting to be able to "control" a person, however as a person myself, I will and do have a right to respond to them and I don't take advice either, well not from those I don't respect.

However, with that being said and with the premise of one being able to do as one pleases being absolutely true - remember, other people will also do as they please left wing feminists and all decent people will always oppose Nazi enablers. They won't simply let them carry on as they are without a peep being said no.

Do expect that, as otherwise the whole premise of your argument is going to sound hypocritical. It works like this. You say something. I disagree. I say so. You disagree. Etc...

Neither of us can shut the other up, unless you want to resort to the classic neo-lib fem/ faux left tactic of block/ ignore?

You could always do that you know.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 20:52

Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 20:45

Is this recent i.e was it recorded after the scum turned up the other day (the all black wearing Nazis doing salutes) and does she (KJK) actually tell any Nazis not to come to events because if not, it's yet another non-denouncement and I really don't want to bother to listen through another non-denouncement.

I did the other day (when the all black video came out) only for not a peep to be said - and I sat through the whole thing. I believe this video was made after the event, in fact I am 99.9% certain that was the case.

If this is the same denouncement (aka not good enough so-called denouncement) that was made before said scum turned up, please someone just 'ave a word and say so as I really don't want to bother.

I feel and fear I am correct on assuming this, otherwise surely everyone here (well most) would be quoting from this new denouncement, if only to gleefully shove it down my throat to prove how wrong I am about KJK and let me know, to say "see look, she has told the fascists not to bother coming."

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Lovely - you seem to have an issue doing your own research.

KJK can't tell them not to come because she isn't their boss. You get that right?

When men turn up - right wing, left wing, far right, far left, whatever - they are proving her point that men are invading the 'Let Women Speak' space.

There is no nazi that is supporting women's rights. They hate feminists. They hate lesbians. No nazis are women's rights campaigners. None.

You are free to actually follow the story without a MN person coming and making reports to you on all activity to date, timelines, and providing you with the necessary links and videos and patching through your calls. If you fail to follow the story and watch the videos and listen to what has actually happened, that is on you.

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:53

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 20:43

If they're nothing to do with her, then why were women warning exactly this would happen, back in September? Are we clairvoyant, now?

Sorry, exactly what would happen?

That if you don't make it very clear that the far right aren't welcome, if you go on their media, make them feel welcome, they will turn up. They will turn up especially as many of them like a bit of recreational violence, and to fight with the TRAs. And when that happens, that's all the media will focus on.

We're at that stage now.

The next stage is more Antifa come to fight the fash. More men who like recreational violence (on both sides) hear about it, and come along too. Before too long, the whole thing becomes a fight between far right and Antifa men, the press love reporting it it - and KJK's femalism implodes, but not before doing a load of damage to the women's rights movement.

It's got nothing to do with whether the far right support women's rights or not. They plainly don't.

Or KJK could take steps to stop this happening, like not cosying up to the far right all the fucking time. Her nazi "denouncement" isn't easy to take seriously when she's hanging out with a woman from the Oz version of the UKIP, immediately after.

Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 20:55

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 20:52

Lovely - you seem to have an issue doing your own research.

KJK can't tell them not to come because she isn't their boss. You get that right?

When men turn up - right wing, left wing, far right, far left, whatever - they are proving her point that men are invading the 'Let Women Speak' space.

There is no nazi that is supporting women's rights. They hate feminists. They hate lesbians. No nazis are women's rights campaigners. None.

You are free to actually follow the story without a MN person coming and making reports to you on all activity to date, timelines, and providing you with the necessary links and videos and patching through your calls. If you fail to follow the story and watch the videos and listen to what has actually happened, that is on you.

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Ah thanks for clearing that up. So it's not a denouncement then. As I feared. JFC

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 20:55

See, you’re now saying UKIP are Nazis?

this is why I don’t take you seriously, and I’d hazard that others don’t either

FOJN · 23/03/2023 20:57

However, with that being said and with the premise of one being able to do as one pleases being absolutely true - remember, other people will also do as they please left wing feminists and all decent people will always oppose Nazi enablers. They won't simply let them carry on as they are without a peep being said no.

How many times are they planning to distance themselves. They never shut up about it, we all know, no need to keep repeating themselves. If they want it to damage KJK they're going to need a platform outside their own echo chamber.

You are also free to do whatever the fuck you like, I don't want it to be any of my business, crack on.

Go well.

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:58

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 20:55

See, you’re now saying UKIP are Nazis?

this is why I don’t take you seriously, and I’d hazard that others don’t either

No, I am saying UKIP are part of the far right. And if you make the far right in general welcome, then you will get far right men who want a bit of recreational violence against the TRAs and Antifa - such as neo nazis - turning up "on your side".

We said this would happen, and it has.