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Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

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ZombieMumEB · 11/02/2023 06:41

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour
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RoseslnTheHospital · 23/03/2023 18:47

Perhaps, @gwrachod, you could give your guidance for security and the police when managing events like this? What they should do when an unknown person rushes at the speakers in an obviously hostile manner?

She was bounced. Because she was breaking the rules of that event and had unknown intentions. Because she was approaching aggressively. She was tackled by the police.

Give over with all your hyperbolic nonsense.

Justnot · 23/03/2023 18:49

so it looks like one guy (police?) decides to put an end to her attempts to storm in by grabbing her, turning her round and pushing her to the floor - again not sure what they are meant to do - one guy was trying to hold onto her but was struggling

Should they have just let her through?

FOJN · 23/03/2023 18:52

Not sure it's been sped up, necessarily, the other shots show her going down quite fast.

Fair enough, I'm not skilled enough to detect the difference. Is the footage from the Sydney Morning Herald edited?

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 18:56

Fair enough, I'm not skilled enough to detect the difference. Is the footage from the Sydney Morning Herald edited?

There's a 32-second clip on the link above I can't play for some reason - I guess that covers it? Just blanks out for me after starting playback, possibly due to the "log in" banner interfering.

Signalbox · 23/03/2023 19:01

And you can see quite clearly from that angle, that she's pushed to the ground, she doesn't just lie down.

What new excuses are we going to hear now?

I’m just wondering how you think people charging towards speakers should be dealt with? By all accounts KJK has received credible threats which is why she needs security in the first place. All it would take is one nut job on a mission to cause serious injury. Do you think police and security should allow protesters to approach speakers unhindered? They attempted to block this woman and she kept attempting to barge through. Should they just have let her do whatever she wanted? At what point do you think it would have been reasonable to restrain her?

Justnot · 23/03/2023 19:03

Just looked at the guardian footage, you don’t see much of the scuffle but when she ends up in the floor it does look a bit like she throws herself/flops down at the end - or maybe she flips over on her back after being pushed to the floor - anyway not pulverised, and followed by some weird crawling…..

all a bit handbags

Justnot · 23/03/2023 19:06

Anyway proves the first clip was heavily edited in bad faith

blubberyboo · 23/03/2023 19:09

Looked to me that she was pushing the police officer in front of her and the other two (one a woman) were pulling her off. I really don’t know what else a person would expect if they are trying to aggressively push past police

FOJN · 23/03/2023 19:10

The cult of jack clip has 5 seconds removed from it. The time bar at the bottom of the screen shows the original clip is 8 seconds long and I can see a grey bubble with second counter in the bottom right hand corner or the screen which counts down from 3 seconds. I can't determine if any of the other clips are edited.

GourmetLettuceMix · 23/03/2023 19:11

KJK on NZ national radio now.....

Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 19:16

beastlyslumber · 23/03/2023 08:08

KJK needs to be much more vehement in her rejection of them as this is currently giving the TRAs so much fodder that will undo hard fought-for progress.

KJK has said she "abhors" Nazis. How much more vehement do you want her to be, ffs? How much progress will be undone by her not being more vehement, in your opinion? What progress do you think will be undone?

You can't silence the women who have already spoken. Their words and ideas are out there now, doing their work.

As others have said, she needs to specifically denounce them but clearly she's not going to or would have done so by now, so I'm guessing she's enjoying all the speculation and controversy. Also equally obvious is that there are many clearly not horrified by this, who want to dismiss those with genuine concerns as either being TRAs or snowflakes.

I've seen far too many on here willing to dismiss the obvious danger in not vehemently and specifically telling the Nazis they are not welcome, which is easily done if you're not bullheaded, stubborn, or wanting to court controversy regardless of consequence - by the way, that danger won't just be incurred by people who don't have the luxury of existing in a white middle class bubble, it includes the harm that will be done to the gender critical movement and therefore all women. There's another truth here - toxic people tend to create disharmony and division, I'm now thinking that's as true for the TRA misogynists as it is for KJK.

I've overlooked a lot that has made me uncomfortable, including the dismissals of radical feminist women of colour regarding who she was interviewing and being interviewed by, (I mean seriously she shared screen time with a white supremacist and then claims she didn't know, really, in the age of Google?!!!! Yet I admit, I overlooked this, wanting to believe her, as I didn't believe she could condone those gross beliefs and I believed she was effective. However though I am more than sure KJK won't give one f**k that support stops when you refuse to take one simple action that will add much needed clarity to a situation - denounce specifically, tell Nazis they are not welcome at events. And yes, there isn't a doubt, sorry if you are sieg heiling, you are a Nazi and some of these scum are known Nazis.

If you don't do that, I think that means, you either don't think they are scum the way normal people do, or you need them there to create controversy which will divide people and women further and cause more political tribalism.

I mean, the mocking of people with genuine concerns over this, the scornful dismissal about people who obviously aren't TRAs, who are gender critical themselves on here has become so bad that I am genuinely wondering if the far right infiltrated Mumsnet now? You're not a bunch of 4chan trolls triggering "snowflakes" but that is what this is coming across as - you do know there is precedent in not denouncing Nazis in the strongest terms don't you? Or do the potential consequences of that just not affect you?

IwantToRetire · 23/03/2023 19:16

The Australian media has also been criticised for failing to discuss the rallies and support women, with Liberal Party Senator Alex Antic calling for the media to show support for the embattled Liberal Victorian state MP Moira Deeming after she spoke at a rally for women’s rights in Melbourne on March 18.

Speaking in the Senate on March 20, he said that the rally held in Melbourne which was overtaken by the Nazi protest, was designed to let women speak about their concerns around biological men being able to access spaces like bathrooms and women’s sports.

“The movement is rightfully concerned about biological men undermining the integrity of women’s sports and spaces such as bathrooms. They’re absolutely correct to be concerned; I am too,” he said.

“It’s a shameful reflection on the lazy partisan media and our political classes that Ms Deeming would be vilified for something over which she had absolutely no control. How is this different from a member of the Australian Labor Party or the Australian Greens attending a rally for Palestine, which is descended upon by antisemitic or union thugs? The answer to that is it’s no different at all.“

The only thing that’s different here is the media and the political class cannot find the requisite spine to stand for a principle. Is this the low-water mark of our free speech and our democracy, to now be defined by those who gatecrash an event?”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/not-safe-for-women-speakers-pull-out-of-women-rights-rally-in-canberra-over-fears-for-safety_5137690.html

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NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 19:18

she needs to specifically denounce them

What does this even mean? Find out their names and send them personalised notes?

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2023 19:19

I'll speculate that her feet went from under her, perhaps a combination of the rapid forward motion of her upper body being stopped by security. Her feet/lower body carrying on which tipped her backwards not helped by wet grass and flat soled shoes.

Given up on the nazi-shaming and trying this angle now? Anything to say about any of the women who braved the rain and the mob, and who waited their turn to speak?

GourmetLettuceMix · 23/03/2023 19:19

On NZ national radio just now KJK has clearly denounced Nazis.

Kim Hill (the host) keeps bringing the point back to trans rights when KJK keeps trying to push the point that her rallies are yo let women speak about issues that concern them.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 23/03/2023 19:19

I see a woman trying to get through the security. She pushes and shoves man 1 over and over, who continues to block her. As far as I can tell, she's winning at that point because he's backing away and she's getting closer to the stage.

Man 2 intervenes. He grabs her and spins her around from man 1. I can't tell whether she slips or whether he meant to put her on the floor. Either way she's on the ground. Then it's all obscured from view.

In the SFW video I saw, that covers what happened next, a man helps her up. Once she's up, he tries to continue holding her to escort her back to the trans activists. She extracts herself out of his hold, by shoving herself down and out of the hold. Presumably she wants to go back to the trans activists independently. Can't blame her on that.

Justnot · 23/03/2023 19:21

She has denounced them

The End

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 19:22

She has denounced them

The End

😂

FOJN · 23/03/2023 19:22

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 19:22

She has denounced them

The End

😂

I love your optimism.

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 19:24

I love your optimism.

Oy - leave me out of any accusations of optimism! I'm just laughing at Justnot's.

Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 19:29

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 19:22

She has denounced them

The End

😂

Brilliant. Where can I hear this (I.e get a link to listen) and does she actually tell them not to bother coming to the events?

turbonerd · 23/03/2023 19:34

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 18:11

You are quite literally excusing violence against a woman. It's as clear as day, but you're gaslighting us that it isn't there.

You disgust me.

What else are you all going to excuse in KJK's name?

She's employing thugs at women's events.
This isn't going to get any better.

You are behaving exactly like the TRAs. When Maria McLachlan was assaulted, they said she started it, the video was doctored, she was the aggressor etc etc. All lies to excuse violence against a woman.

And now you're doing it.

Datun please tell me all isn't completely lost on FWR and you, at least, can see this woman isn't voluntarily lying down? That she's pushed & manhandled?.

I have seen several Clips from different angles, and to me it does not look like she is pushed down. It looks like she lies down/flops down. I don’t judge her; if you feel attacked it is a good strategy to flop.

I really am not sure what you want me to do about you feeling disgusted by me. I do not care.
Apparently I condone - nay, promote- nazies, violence (even domestic violence), rasicm, anti-semitism, fascism and probably a lot of other Very Bad Things.

Well, if you feel that way I don’t see that there’s much I can OR WANT to do about that.

oh, I forgot that I’m also gaslighting. And like a TRA to boot.

Ok, hun.

BoreOfWhabylon · 23/03/2023 19:38

Helleofabore · 23/03/2023 10:24

That is fantastic news!

Don't know if it's been mentioned as I'm working my way down the thread but the complainant was...
Fox Fisher
KJK says so at the very end of Canberra livestream. She also says what it was that FF objected to

Also, I note that two posters who had been hijacking this thread with spurious accusations s against KJK have been missing for the last day or so. I did report them to MNHQ but have no idea if that had any bearing on things. I note they seem to have been replaced though.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 19:41

Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 19:29

Brilliant. Where can I hear this (I.e get a link to listen) and does she actually tell them not to bother coming to the events?

She said days ago she abhors them and they are nothing to do with her.

When she says nothing to do with her, what she means is, they are nothing to do with her. What they do is nothing, and once again, for those hard of thinking, nothing to do with her.

Nothing. Nada. What they do is nothing to do with her. She has no control of them due to them being nothing to do with her.

How much clearer can she be? If she tells them what to do or not do, the next thing we will have is her being accused of being their leader. But she isn't because they are nothing to do with her.

nepeta · 23/03/2023 19:46

Justnot · 23/03/2023 18:39

I found this - first one I looked at so not saying definitive - so she makes numerous attempts to get past security and is finally pushed/pulled away

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senator-lidia-thorpe-clashes-with-police-at-anti-trans-rally-20230323-p5cunr.html

The security guard grabs her, she pulls her legs up, and then he drops her on the ground.

That is what I see in that video.

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