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Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

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ZombieMumEB · 11/02/2023 06:41

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour
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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 20:59

All this denouncing sounds exhausting too

does one require specialist footwear if one really gets into an enthusiastic denouncement? I’d hate for you to sustain any repetitive strain injuries @Minirrriot

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 21:00

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 20:59

All this denouncing sounds exhausting too

does one require specialist footwear if one really gets into an enthusiastic denouncement? I’d hate for you to sustain any repetitive strain injuries @Minirrriot

We're talking about neo nazis and the like.

Do you think this is a joke?.

beastlyslumber · 23/03/2023 21:01

Since when are UKIP part of the far right? FFS. Do you understand what the far right is?

FOJN · 23/03/2023 21:01

I've just asked a contact who would know something about how things are shaping up within one party at Westminster, KJK isn't even a bump in the road to progress.

Must just be the Labour party, still it's nice to have someone to blame for getting fuck all done.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 21:02

In which case you are seriously lacking in clarity (surprise surprise…)

you said

Her nazi "denouncement" isn't easy to take seriously when she's hanging out with a woman from the Oz version of the UKIP, immediately after.

clearly equating UKIP to Nazis, otherwise that sentence doesn’t make any sense at all

did you not mean it that way? Are there any other times when you’ve slung the word ‘Nazi’ around when you maybe didn’t mean it that way?

RoseslnTheHospital · 23/03/2023 21:02

So many different variations on the old "women are to blame for what men do". Fascinating.

beastlyslumber · 23/03/2023 21:03

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 21:00

We're talking about neo nazis and the like.

Do you think this is a joke?.

I think you're extremely silly and not sure how you expect people to respond.

You: KJK needs to denounce Nazis!!!
Us: Here's loads of evidence of her doing exactly that.
You: KJK won't denounce Nazis!!! You're all fascists!!!

I don't really know what you want people to say.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 21:03

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 21:00

We're talking about neo nazis and the like.

Do you think this is a joke?.

No, but I think your received opinions and performative outrage are

IwantToRetire · 23/03/2023 21:07

Can only assume all those blaming KJK for what right wing men are doing are in fact well indoctrinated acolytes of AGCL ie the purity spiral hiding behind the more publicly friendly face of WPUK.

Nobody in their right mind would think that KJK encouraged nazis to attend. the only people pushing that narrative are AGCL who seem obsessed in making one woman bow down to their superior knowledge of feminism.

The nazis turned up because the incels from antifa spurred on by spreading of SfW right wing affiliation started to protest at SfW events. The nazi then turned up to shout at them.

The only people encouraging this link is AGCL and WPUK.

In fact so far gone is their fanatisim to prove themselves right they are now working with the Daily Mail to make their smears more wide spread.

Many other socialist feminist groups have produced well rounded balanced statements about the right of women to speak, but not being part of KJK "bourgoise individualistic" political practices.

And the more they push the narrative the more it appears to be true. But only to them.

Believe it or not the majority of women have never heard of WPUK let alone AGCL, but through social media have found that there is any event where as "oridanry" women they can talk about their experiences of male violence and sexism, Unlike the hight controlled top down events or facebook page of WPUK and SfW.

So on one level we can thank these women who are obsessed beyond reason with one other women for giving her a far hight profile than should might ever have had without there relentless campaign to silence her.

(Interesting that so much emphasis is being put on how one must consider the "optics" of contrived media public perception. This must be why Labour has no publicly announced socialist politics. So now we know. Politics isn't about what is right or wrong but about how the MSM might present us. Sort of sounds like the old fashioned idea that women shouldn't speak out because society will think you are mad or bad.)

Ourladycheesusedatum · 23/03/2023 21:08

OneMorePlant · 19/03/2023 18:56

It's simple.

If you are a critical thinker who has many different opinions and reads and follows many different people, and you believe in debating issues, you are "far right" and if you are white you are a "white supremacist".

Anyone who is actually right or conservative is "an actual nazi" and real nazi's are also just "nazi"

A "socialist" or "marxist" is someone who claims to hate capitalism while tweeting on their newest Iphone about their funkopop collection and who have no idea what Marx actually wrote or said except for some 2 minute quick wikipedia google. They also call everyone they disagree with "far right" and are the most intolerant shitheads you will ever meet while going on about "inclusivity"

Antifa are fascists who are nationalists to a fictitious nation that does not exist (yet)

Misogynists are now "intersectional feminists"

Actual feminists are now "transphobic bigots"

Love this, simple, elegant,,eloquent.
I may steal at some point if that's ok

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 21:09

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 21:02

In which case you are seriously lacking in clarity (surprise surprise…)

you said

Her nazi "denouncement" isn't easy to take seriously when she's hanging out with a woman from the Oz version of the UKIP, immediately after.

clearly equating UKIP to Nazis, otherwise that sentence doesn’t make any sense at all

did you not mean it that way? Are there any other times when you’ve slung the word ‘Nazi’ around when you maybe didn’t mean it that way?

The woman KJK was hanging out with after was One Nation senator Pauline Hanson. She is anti-multiculturism. That is a far right position. Here's a quote.

"I and most Australians want our immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate."

Hepwo · 23/03/2023 21:11

The Lefty feminists are defined entirely by their fear of Kellie Jay.

Their own work is so feeble the brief appearance of national socialists in another country causes it to topple.

They can't build anything robust enough to stand up to hot air about the various groups of men who show up to willy wave at each other.

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 21:12

Or KJK could take steps to stop this happening, like not cosying up to the far right all the fucking time.

And this in a nutshell is where you and the "left-wing" feminists have gone off the rails.

They're employing the tactics of lying being justified as long as the cause is Good enough and the target of the lie is Bad enough that we see from so many other portions of what passes for the "left" these days, including TRAs.

I know she doesn't "cosy up to the far right all the fucking time". How can you so confidently say she does when you apparently don't even know where her YouTube channel is?

Your description of her is as far off-base as the TRAs description of JKR.

There is absolutely no way anyone who actually watched KJK's output would get the impression that she supports that far-right group. The far-right group certainly wouldn't.

This whole scheme of them getting an impression she wants them there would only make sense second-hand to people who weren't watching KJK themselves - ie to the AGCL group, or anyone who took them seriously. If the far-right were getting the impression they're welcome it's most likely they would be getting the impression that they're welcome from the AGCL and TRAs.

Although I don't believe it's not so much "welcome" that they're after - it's attention. And that amounts to the same thing - people wanting to associate KJK with "fascists" means that they know they'll get attention if any do show up.

Minirrriot · 23/03/2023 21:13

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 20:58

No, I am saying UKIP are part of the far right. And if you make the far right in general welcome, then you will get far right men who want a bit of recreational violence against the TRAs and Antifa - such as neo nazis - turning up "on your side".

We said this would happen, and it has.

I've personally never said UKIP are Nazi. When I say Nazi, I am referencing actual Neo-Nazis, who openly say they hold Nazi beliefs. That means they believe the Aryan race is the master race, that Jews and Black and Brown people are sub-human, and that they believe that Jewish people should be eradicated.

That is the only definition of Nazi in my book. Seen any of those people around anywhere recently because they are kind of gross and should be basically vomited on, wherever they turn up.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 21:15

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 21:09

The woman KJK was hanging out with after was One Nation senator Pauline Hanson. She is anti-multiculturism. That is a far right position. Here's a quote.

"I and most Australians want our immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate."

I’m sure she’s awful

the fact remains that neither she nor UKIP are Nazis

IwantToRetire · 23/03/2023 21:15

"I and most Australians want our immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate."

I hope you have reported back to AGCL that you have faithfully used the quote provided by them.

I assume this means you think we shouldn't lobby or work with Tory MPs to get better funding for women's refuges, or to improve maternity provision, or to stop gender self id from becoming law.

After all the Tories are the party that is promoting draconian anti asylum laws.

So by the logic of the urity spiral acolytes we shouldn't work with those who might be supportive of women's issues because of the hostile environment they have created.

And that right wing women suffering domestic violence shouldn't be allowed to speak about it.

So is the carefully curated quote something that was said at a LWS event?

GlorianaCervixia · 23/03/2023 21:17

Yes, Pauline Hanson is a far-right politician but she said nothing about multiculturalism in her speech. She waited her turn and spoke like any other woman. No one is required to agree with her.

Melbourne has long had a neo-nazi problem that governments have failed to address. The idea that they are coming to support Let Women Speak events is nonsense. They weren't at the events in Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide, Hobart or Canberra. Only Melbourne. Twisting that into making it women responsible for neo-nazis or that women are inviting them to be there is revolting.

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 21:17

I'd just like to remind people of the comment made above by xyzzy:

But this seems a disingenuous question because - as is fairly obvious - no-one knows or is checking the political views of any women speaking (quite rightly).

Uh-huh...

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 21:19

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 21:15

I’m sure she’s awful

the fact remains that neither she nor UKIP are Nazis

Nobody said they were. FFS.

.

GlorianaCervixia · 23/03/2023 21:20

Posie Parker was interviewed on New Zealand national radio this morning. Kim Hill is one of the rudest interviewers I think I've ever heard but I did enjoy her repeatedly interrupting PP and then complaining about being interrupted herself.

Here is the link: https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018883114

RNZ Audio Player

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018883114

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 21:22

IwantToRetire · 23/03/2023 21:15

"I and most Australians want our immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate."

I hope you have reported back to AGCL that you have faithfully used the quote provided by them.

I assume this means you think we shouldn't lobby or work with Tory MPs to get better funding for women's refuges, or to improve maternity provision, or to stop gender self id from becoming law.

After all the Tories are the party that is promoting draconian anti asylum laws.

So by the logic of the urity spiral acolytes we shouldn't work with those who might be supportive of women's issues because of the hostile environment they have created.

And that right wing women suffering domestic violence shouldn't be allowed to speak about it.

So is the carefully curated quote something that was said at a LWS event?

Yes, the Tories are promoting anti-immigration policies and people are quite rightly outraged. Did the whole Gary Lineker thing pass you by?

IwantToRetire · 23/03/2023 21:22

Some local feminist groups have rightly pointed out that Parker has failed to distance herself from the far-Right at times. But we cannot lose sight of the two key issues at stake for gender critical feminists: children’s bodily integrity and women’s rights and the need for single-sex spaces.

These issues have very different histories, politics and ontologies, but they coalesce around transgenderism because this is the point at which the conflict of interest arises. In Australia, as elsewhere, this issue has become a flashpoint in the culture wars erupting around university courses, swimming pools, prisons, sports and with regards to the adoption of “gender neutral language” in public institutions.

Distracted by the circus in Melbourne, Australia’s political and media class failed abysmally in their duty to represent these issues from all sides.

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-truth-about-posie-parker-and-the-neo-nazis/

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/03/2023 21:23

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 21:19

Nobody said they were. FFS.

.

Erm

maybe you just say things and aren’t really sure what you mean?

it makes it hard to chat with you, but if you can’t help it, ok

that will undermine your credibility though

IwantToRetire · 23/03/2023 21:24

WPUK worked with the Daily Mail - WPUK are right wing

I went on many marches where members of the SWP also marched - I am a member of the SWP

IwantToRetire · 23/03/2023 21:25

Can we talk about women and women's issues and how to help amplify the voices of the women who attended the LWS events, and the issues they raised.

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