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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A woman has been found guilty of raping two women

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AngelicaSchuylerAndHerSisters · 24/01/2023 13:23

A woman has been found guilty of raping two women when she was a man. Happened in Scotland. She hasn’t been sentenced yet - but where will she serve her sentence? In the womens prison?!
This is going to mean some serious discussions and tough times for the Scottish government. But it was surely only a matter of time before something like this happened.

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MyNameisMathilda · 25/01/2023 10:44

applesandpears33 · 25/01/2023 10:02

Yes, rather than saying male bodied he should perhaps have said while identifying as a male. Otherwise he's perpetuating the myth that transwomen all have surgery, which is obviously not the case from the photo.

While identifying as a man?? He was and still is a man.

Waitwhat23 · 25/01/2023 10:49

From Keep Prisons Single Sex -

twitter.com/NoXYinXXprisons/status/1618187798116458499?s=20&t=tJzPQYt5XmmS5nCi0KPFCg

Cuppasoupmonster · 25/01/2023 10:54

Can’t Rishi weigh in and block this move somehow. Or the Home Secretary?

MichaelFabricantWig · 25/01/2023 11:03

Cuppasoupmonster · 25/01/2023 10:54

Can’t Rishi weigh in and block this move somehow. Or the Home Secretary?

Devolved unfortunately, and as we know the Scottish government are fully in support of this nonsense

ditalini · 25/01/2023 11:04

A reminder that self-id for trans prisoners was prioritised by TRAs as part of efforts to break down barriers for self-id more generally:

James Morton of the Scottish Trans Alliance in their own words: "We strategized that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise."

www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/resources/opaque-and-overdue-scottish-prison-service-trans-prisoner-policy-review

(Basically, if we can get the powers that be to agree to this obviously insane thing then there's nothing they won't agree to).

Cuppasoupmonster · 25/01/2023 11:04

MichaelFabricantWig · 25/01/2023 11:03

Devolved unfortunately, and as we know the Scottish government are fully in support of this nonsense

What mechanism have they used to block the GRA reforms?

MichaelFabricantWig · 25/01/2023 11:06

I saw that at the time.
appalling

what about the women in cornton vale. Do they not matter?

MichaelFabricantWig · 25/01/2023 11:07

Cuppasoupmonster · 25/01/2023 11:04

What mechanism have they used to block the GRA reforms?

S35 of the Scotland Act, that the legislation proposed by the Scottish Parliament impinges on reserved matters.

evemillbank · 25/01/2023 11:10

There was a picture of that person going into court wearing tight ( in the crotch area) leggings.. definitely isn't a woman! They had a penis.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/01/2023 11:10

This is from a famous Swedish study.
Here it is talking about transsexual men - men who have had surgery-

Second, regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

When a male takes on a female identity, even if he has had hormones and surgery, he retains the same potential for committing crime as anyone who is part the ordinary male population. He does not become the equivalent of a woman in his capacity for crime.

Very few men commit violent crimes, but a few men - including those who are reassigned as, or identify as women do. These crimes represent 95% of the violent crimes committed.

Spectator article:
Female prisoners are being endangered by trans rights Rachel Rosario Sanchez
16 April 2022, 7:00am
www.spectator.co.uk/article/female-prisoners-are-being-endangered-by-trans-rights/

SinnerBoy · 25/01/2023 11:13

Plbrookes · Today 10:39

Ah, so you're not planning on making the tellers look at a dick pic. Good. Of course people who would object to people doing that are so prim aren't they?

A silly cartoon penis isn't a dick pic, is it? Not that I've ever intended to do so, let alone indicated that I thought it was a grand idea, so no need to patronise me.

I also never accused you of being prim, either.

You're partly arguing with someone else's point, but aiming it at me.

Cuppasoupmonster · 25/01/2023 11:17

MichaelFabricantWig · 25/01/2023 11:07

S35 of the Scotland Act, that the legislation proposed by the Scottish Parliament impinges on reserved matters.

I would assume the female inmates’ rights to be free from inhuman/degrading treatment would be violated by being locked up with a convicted male serial rapist, but what do I know 🤷🏼‍♀️

IcakedefargeIam · 25/01/2023 11:18

This twitter thread! TiM in Scottish prisons (possibly all prisons) are risk assessed as to the danger posed to them, not to the women they may be housed with!

I watched a few minutes of the Scottish Prism, the risk assessment bit is around 56 mins. I started the video around the 46 min mark though. One of the contributors said that children in care, girls, if they said they were male would be searched by male Police Officers. This cannot be right! Please. Someone tell me she's mistaken.

twitter.com/CallieMac88/status/1617217869766344706?s=20&t=vdUbyIQVqJ1HGRZ2noD0VQ

John Moir, not the most fluent speakerSmile, also talks on how the deck on this 'most consulted bill ever' was stacked.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/01/2023 11:25

evemillbank · Today 11:10
There was a picture of that person going into court wearing tight ( in the crotch area) leggings.. definitely isn't a woman! They had a penis.

Most men who believe, or say they are women do have a penis. Many people don’t realise this. They think that there are only a very few men involved in changing their gender and that they are the old style transsexuals, who have had surgery to help them to approximate women having suffered from gender dysphoria.

Even if it were not the case that nearly all men identifying as women have not had surgery, even when they do, they retain the same criminality as other men according to that Swedish study I just linked.

One thing would be though that if they had had sex reassignment surgery they wouldn’t be able to rape using their penis.

(n.b imo the surgery is a dreadful step too far take if someone has gender dysphoria. I think that making it a necessity for a GRC was banned by the European Court of Human Rights too.)

A woman has been found guilty of raping two women
MichaelFabricantWig · 25/01/2023 11:28

Cuppasoupmonster · 25/01/2023 11:17

I would assume the female inmates’ rights to be free from inhuman/degrading treatment would be violated by being locked up with a convicted male serial rapist, but what do I know 🤷🏼‍♀️

Well quite. Insanity

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 25/01/2023 11:44

Haven’t caught up with posts since last night so apologies if it’s been mentioned, but has Sturgeon piped up yet? I hope she is hounded about this in every single interview she ever does. Not that she’d give a straight answer. For the love of God where is Piers Morgan when you need him?! He may not be to everyone’s tastes and he’s said some awful things, but we need a journalist that is going to bang this drum and not let this utter bullshit lie.

Darkoutsideclosethecurtains · 25/01/2023 11:47

one of the amendments to the Gender Recognition Reform Act in Scotland - to prevent known sex offenders from obtaining a GRC - was voted down. If that amendment had been accepted, the possibility of this rapist obtaining a GRC would be removed. Shame on the Scottish Government for passing this legislation. The rapes were committed by a man who later thought he would call himself a woman and use that as a defence in court 😤

Sugarfree23 · 25/01/2023 11:53

Surely it has to be against the Womans Human Rights to be imprisoned with a Male?

There must be some sort of international laws or convention on it?

Maybe the bold Nicola would change he mind after spending 30mins locked in a room with him.

She was a bitch all through covid and her zero covid no a consideration for the children or people who suffered. Just the same as she doesn't give a shit for the women in Cornton Vale.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 25/01/2023 11:56

Darkoutsideclosethecurtains · 25/01/2023 11:47

one of the amendments to the Gender Recognition Reform Act in Scotland - to prevent known sex offenders from obtaining a GRC - was voted down. If that amendment had been accepted, the possibility of this rapist obtaining a GRC would be removed. Shame on the Scottish Government for passing this legislation. The rapes were committed by a man who later thought he would call himself a woman and use that as a defence in court 😤

Who exactly is lurking in the shadows pushing this stuff to go through? We know that generally politicians will only vote things through for their own ends. So what is the intended result here? This community make up such a tiny minority, the majority do not believe in this. Which leads me to wonder why certain members of Scottish parliament are banging this drum so loudly. It’s all very strange. When you move away from the sex offenders, the fetishists, the violent men et al who we have clear evidence seem to make up a large part of this community, it leads me back to the same question over and over. Why, and really for whom?

TheShellBeach · 25/01/2023 11:58

evemillbank · 25/01/2023 11:10

There was a picture of that person going into court wearing tight ( in the crotch area) leggings.. definitely isn't a woman! They had a penis.

HE had a penis.
He says he wants surgery but I don't believe him.
He won't be able to rape any women without it, will he?

MorvenOfMalvern · 25/01/2023 12:00

This is not just a Scottish issue. It is not only Scottish MPs who need contacting about this.

While Isla Bryson and Katie Dolatowski are in Cornton Vale, and under the "rain assessment" of SPS, England has got Jessica Winfield, Sally Dixon and was responsible for Karen White for example.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/01/2023 12:01

Namechangedforthisonetoday · Today 11:56
Who exactly is lurking in the shadows pushing this stuff to go through?

I have not had time to read this carefully yet, but I think the answer is here in this Wings Over Scotland article. This was posted on another thread this morning:
Wings Over Scotland | The Grooming Of Holyrood

wingsoverscotland.com/the-grooming-of-holyrood/

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 25/01/2023 12:02

TheShellBeach · 25/01/2023 11:58

HE had a penis.
He says he wants surgery but I don't believe him.
He won't be able to rape any women without it, will he?

Brysons bluff needs to be called. Get the surgery booked in Bryson, go through with it if this is what you really want.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 25/01/2023 12:05

ScrollingLeaves · 25/01/2023 12:01

Namechangedforthisonetoday · Today 11:56
Who exactly is lurking in the shadows pushing this stuff to go through?

I have not had time to read this carefully yet, but I think the answer is here in this Wings Over Scotland article. This was posted on another thread this morning:
Wings Over Scotland | The Grooming Of Holyrood

wingsoverscotland.com/the-grooming-of-holyrood/

Thank you, I’ve had a look at this and it made for incredibly grim reading. I’d still love to know who is really pulling the strings though. I realise I sound like a conspiracy theorist here. Perhaps I just cannot accept the hatred that some men have towards us. Men who are in relationships or married, maybe have children, professionals, seemingly ‘normal’ lives, and yet deep down, they hate us.

Lately I keeping coming back to that saying ‘Men fear women laughing at them. Women fear men killing them’.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/01/2023 12:08

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

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