A woman has been found guilty of raping two women

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A woman has been found guilty of raping two women when she was a man. Happened in Scotland. She hasn’t been sentenced yet - but where will she serve her sentence? In the womens prison?!
This is going to mean some serious discussions and tough times for the Scottish government. But it was surely only a matter of time before something like this happened.

Does anyone have a really clear guide to action on this?

To whom do we write and what do we say?

I'm both short on time and super angry, which leads to inarticulacy often.

I think I am prepared to go v public now. I will risk myself professionally but I think this is my hill and I'm pulling on my rucksack and walking boots ..

Jeremy vine C5 on now

It's ridiculous isn't it - the way we have to police our own language so that we don't get suspended or even banned for stating the truth.

What a time to be alive.

Jeremy has a very good trans friend.

This is 2 men mansplaining to a woman how the feels of men are more important.

These cases are so rare, why worry about them 🤯

Actually think Jeremy was quite good with his questions, he didn't seem one sided at all, although I know he has been in the past.
The woman who's name I didn't get was brilliant but I can imagine the backlash she will get from that and JJ, well he can go fuck his self quite frankly. I wish they were doing a phone in segment on that, although knowing my rage over this, I'm not sure I would be coherent 🤦🏽‍♀️

I'm just going to leave this here. It's a direct quote from my thread on the use of gender, not sex, on a poster ostensibly about the Equality Act 2010, in my DD's primary school

*EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:43

In this instance the greater good is served by a trans women’s desires trumping the desires of those women who don’t want trans women in women’s prisons. Yes, absolutely.*

There was rather a section of the thread which went slightly off the school issue, but please do check the original thread, and you'll be able to confirm that the above quote is EXACTLY as ELO wrote.

Where is that screenshot from?

It seems to be an overview of the offence internationally.

It certainly isn't the law in England and Wales or Scotland.

Here is the definition of rape from the Sexual Offences Act 2003 and the The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008
"Rape
(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents."

and from the Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009
"1Rape
(1)If a person (“A”), with A's penis—
(a)without another person (“B”) consenting, and
(b)without any reasonable belief that B consents,penetrates to any extent, either intending to do so or reckless as to whether there is penetration, the vagina, anus or mouth of B then A commits an offence, to be known as the offence of rape."

All UK legislation is available to view on legislation.gov.uk and the "Advanced Search" option is very useful.

I think Jeremy absolutely knows the issues, but he is contrained because he has a trans friend he doesn't want to upset. It did amuse me with the language he used 'crimes committed while male bodied'.

yes the other guy was awful.

For those who haven't seen it, below is a quote from James Morton, of the Scottish Trans Alliance who are the main (only?) group who have been involved in advising policy in regards to this issue. Women's organisations, female experts or indeed female inmates have had no input into this policy -

‘We strategized – we strategized – that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise’.

PronounssheRa · Today 09:36
I think Jeremy absolutely knows the issues, but he is contrained because he has a trans friend he doesn't want to upset. It did amuse me with the language he used 'crimes committed while male bodied'.*

Anyone who has seen the photos of the rapist, can very clearly see, he is still male bodied.

Absolutely. Jeremy was tying himself in linguistic knots trying to make a distinction between the male body which committed the crimes and the male body which now declares a gender identity.

Yes, rather than saying male bodied he should perhaps have said while identifying as a male. Otherwise he's perpetuating the myth that transwomen all have surgery, which is obviously not the case from the photo.

Jeremy demonstrating the cognitive dissonance struggle.

There is a male rapist.... who has to be framed in mind as having become something other than male, in order to avoid facing the fact that the desire of a male rapist to be placed among trapped women 'serves the greater good' over the desire of women not to be trapped with a serial rapist. And their desire not to be raped.

It's abhorrent Jeremy, face it. There is no point at which transubstantiation occurs and the woman being raped has no fucks to give about how the male raping her currently defines their inner self. It makes zero difference .

lyson · Today 08:48

And what's wrong with seg in the male prison?

Well, quite. In fact, there are a number of dedicated sex offender prisons in England, at least. Littlehey in Huntingdon is one. They're very safe, compared to other mens' units.

Plbrookes · Today 09:01

Your opinion doesn't matter.

Then neither does yours. FWIW, I'm not intending to draw a penis on the ballot. Also, I have neither the time, nor the inclination to try standing as an MP. It's incredibly difficult to get backing as an independent, in any case.

It's abhorrent Jeremy, face it. There is no point at which transubstantiation occurs and the woman being raped has no fucks to give about how the male raping her currently defines their inner self. It makes zero difference .

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'support' is working hard there.

This is utterly evil.

I've just written to all my MSPs. I shall keep going.

I just asked the question of how this has happened.

It might be worth asking whether Isla Bryson is a transwoman. We were told repeatedly that transwomen were not the problem. So - is Isla Bryson a transwoman? Or is he a violent male rapist? Or is he both?

I'm also completely past caring who sees me talking about this openly in public.

If someone is honestly going to defend placing a rapist in a woman's prison then it is THEM who should be ashamed, not me.

The SNP needed the Greens to maintain their majority.
The Scottish Green Party is made up of some very odd people for whom green issues are not the main concern. Some are very keen for children to trans, some want the age of consent lowered , some have very strange private lives.
They have groomed the SNP who are not the sharpest knives in the drawer and so here we are.
This link may shed some light on it all
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-grooming-of-holyrood/

I first saw it on Twitter - I don't know who produced the infographic but the information from the prison service was requested for a series of related questions asked by Kenny MacAskill MP in Parliament.

If someone is honestly going to defend placing a rapist in a woman's prison then it is THEM who should be ashamed, not me.

With bells on.

Ah, so you're not planning on making the tellers look at a dick pic. Good. Of course people who would object to people doing that are so prim aren't they?

Please take what action you can out of the the little that is available to us as women in the face of this obscene attack on our rights - which by the way is against the Geneva Convention for a female POW - by signing and sharing this petition to update the Equality Act to make clear that the protected characteristic “sex” means biological sex.

If you have a husband, boyfriend, wife, girlfriend, or friend with whom you might share it, in the hope that they might sign too, then all the better.
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www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex?page=1

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11673161/Furious-campaigners-slam-disgusting-decision-send-transgender-rapist-female-prison.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11674325/SNP-Joanna-Cherry-leads-fury-transgender-double-rapist-sent-womens-prison.html