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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

sarah ditum on Posie parker

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narcymum · 23/09/2022 22:33

Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

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EdithStourton · 24/09/2022 15:44

Imnobody4 · 24/09/2022 15:16

Haven't read the whole thread but just want to say this constant carping is doing my head in. It's starting to look like no platforming and cancelling to me. Just let Posie do Posie and get on with your own strategy.
Just for the record I don't worship Posie but hell will freeze over before anyone dictates what I should think, who I should support or talk to. This is everyone's battle and there are no Generals self appointed or otherwise.

Well, indeed.

The last thing we need is to get sucked into our own purity spiral.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/09/2022 15:45

@mirax, unsurprisingly the right have been actively anti-women on this as well. Tory MPs have reported women to the police and their employers for retweeting JKR.

Trans is not a Left or Right issue. It is a Women's Rights issue.

KittyKlaws · 24/09/2022 15:46

Imnobody4 · 24/09/2022 15:16

Haven't read the whole thread but just want to say this constant carping is doing my head in. It's starting to look like no platforming and cancelling to me. Just let Posie do Posie and get on with your own strategy.
Just for the record I don't worship Posie but hell will freeze over before anyone dictates what I should think, who I should support or talk to. This is everyone's battle and there are no Generals self appointed or otherwise.

Yes. This ^

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 16:04

NotBadConsidering · 24/09/2022 03:34

It’s bizarre how people like @Discovereads think they’re so superior to Posie even though they blatantly lie and defame a gay man like Mr Menno repeatedly and seem to think they’re on the “right side of history” for doing so.

You’re a hypocrite Discovereads.

Who is Mr Menno, never heard of him.

witchyw · 24/09/2022 16:05

Tamworthian · 24/09/2022 00:46

What did she say about BLM? I genuinely missed that somehow?

The time when a BLM march confronted the SFE group chanting "black trans women matter" ? And she stood up to them?

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 16:07

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/09/2022 09:50

@Discovereads - I'm sure you have them to hand so please supply the evidence for all of your embedded claims along with details of the "collaboration," size of payments, funder, opposition to abortion etc.

who collaborates with white supremacists and who has accepted funds from the US far right.

None of these are “impossible standards of purity” imho. It’s entirely possible to campaign for womens rights without harassing BLM activists or applauding blackface, without collaborating with white supremacists, without being anti-abortion, and without taking money from the US far right.

I don’t have them to hand, but it’s all easily there to be found on the internet if you care to look for it and do your research.

Nigelladamascena · 24/09/2022 16:15

Imnobody4 · 24/09/2022 15:16

Haven't read the whole thread but just want to say this constant carping is doing my head in. It's starting to look like no platforming and cancelling to me. Just let Posie do Posie and get on with your own strategy.
Just for the record I don't worship Posie but hell will freeze over before anyone dictates what I should think, who I should support or talk to. This is everyone's battle and there are no Generals self appointed or otherwise.

I agree👏

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 16:16

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 16:07

I don’t have them to hand, but it’s all easily there to be found on the internet if you care to look for it and do your research.

This is always, always a pathetic response. Making allegations, refusing to back them up and then just telling people to “do their research” is not the way adults behave.

witchyw · 24/09/2022 16:17

Live4weekend · 24/09/2022 10:42

Posies Parker reminds me of Nigel Farage.

I don't like Ditums tweet at all and it was silly and petty, buy Posie Parker absolutely does not speak for me as a gender critical female.

Transactivism is driving people away because of their extremism. I think there is a very real chance it could happen with the 'GC movement' too.

I am not anti trans, I support people being who they want to be. But up until now, that has been at the expense of the safety and dignity of woman which needs to stop. As well was the indoctrination if children into becoming trans. And the bastardisation of language.

But support right wingers who want to do more harm to women and children - not in my fucking name.

How would you support a man being a "woman" without infringing on the rights of women?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/09/2022 16:22

The time when a BLM march confronted the SFE group chanting "black trans women matter" ? And she stood up to them?

ISTR they were quite threatening.

witchyw · 24/09/2022 16:23

NotBadConsidering · 24/09/2022 12:06

I think it’s childish and a sign of weak will.

”If I agree with bad person on X, my entire world view will cave in!”

Have the courage of your convictions FFS. Sarah Ditum et al, agree with KJK. Just say:

”I agree with her on this, but not that.”

Then have the strength to shrug off the idiots who say it means you’re now “aligned”🙄.

I know my own mind. I agree with some people on somethings and not on others. I am not a “puppet” of the right.

👌🏼

witchyw · 24/09/2022 16:28

PomegranateOfPersephone · 24/09/2022 13:31

Every protest or demonstration I ever attended has had a crew of dodgy blockes turn up looking to push their own agenda or to make things “kick off” so they can get cheap thrills from a riot. It is a free country, just, so none of those genuinely concerned about the particular issue have any say over who else shows up.

Good point

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 16:38

Hoppinggreen · 24/09/2022 13:03

God, you’re brave.
I said on here once that while I admired her work and utterly condemned the abuse her and her family gets there were certain things about her I wasn’t so keen on.
I was attacked very swiftly and sharply, it’s all or nothing. Love her unconditionally or her fans will go after you.

I figured I’d get a bit of 🔥🔥🔥
I’m not trying to cancel or deplatform PP, I just think people should be made aware of the kind of person PP is and her values. So they can be informed about who they wish to follow or not. I’ve chosen not to follow her.

Everything I said, it’s easy to corroborate by a bit of online research or watching her videos (especially the 80min one she did with the white supremacist) and it coming out of her own mouth or reported by former associates that she has shocked and let down.

Shes is also pro-gun and was accused of inciting violence in one of her videos (I did look it up and watch it, she said it). She called for cis-men in the US with guns to go into womens toilets to protect women/girls from transwomen trying to enter. Sorry but I think a bloke with a loaded gun who is willing to use it lurking in the womens toilet with licence to shoot anyone he thinks doesn’t look girly enough is a bit more of a danger than a transwoman?

I think abuse of anyone is wrong, but as for doxxing, her address is publicly available online took me two minutes to find it (won’t say what it is, or where to find it but her very expensively kitted out studio is within a £891k detached 5 bedroom, 3 bath house…not really working class…although she “identifies” as such and got quite a bit of mileage complaining about Waitrose delivery drivers)

In addition, she has a habit of forming Ltd companies for you know selling her tat online and then not filing accounts saying where the money went or tax returns and then being compulsorily struck off by Companies House. So she creates a new company… and repeat. Rake in money from followers and file no accounts or taxes….Look up Woman by Definition Ltd. Dissolved a year ago by compulsory strike off with no accounts or tax return ever filed.

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 16:40

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 16:16

This is always, always a pathetic response. Making allegations, refusing to back them up and then just telling people to “do their research” is not the way adults behave.

Whats pathetic is you thinking I’m your personal search engine. It’s out there. Go look it up. It is how adults behave, you’re an adult, so use your adulting research skills and stop being a baby wanting to be spoon fed.

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 16:42

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 16:40

Whats pathetic is you thinking I’m your personal search engine. It’s out there. Go look it up. It is how adults behave, you’re an adult, so use your adulting research skills and stop being a baby wanting to be spoon fed.

You do like dictating to people don’t TIt?You made it up, you lied, it didn’t happen, so no, of course I’m not going to go and search for something that is a figment of your imagination.

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 16:49

witchyw · 24/09/2022 16:05

The time when a BLM march confronted the SFE group chanting "black trans women matter" ? And she stood up to them?

That’s not what happened. Recommend you watch the different videos from that day in Hyde Park. The BLM demonstrators were walking through Hyde Park as part of the million man march, when they started to file past PP on her step ladder leading her GC event at Speakers Corner. They go by, with a few “Black Lives Matter” calls but then there was a part of the BLM protest with signs saying “Black Trans Lives Matter”…which when PP saw these signs, she screamed “Womens Lives Matter” at them and then started chants with her followers of “Transwomen are Men” at the BLM protesters which diverted their attention and the confrontation started in little pockets. At one point, PP comes down off her step ladder to angrily point and wave her hands and scream at a couple of black women that they are misogynists.

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 16:50

Receipts or GTFO.

Hepwo · 24/09/2022 16:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/09/2022 15:28

That's you on Julie Bindle's side then?

No, I don't think this poster is a fan of her either. They're more on "the side" of the people who send her vile abuse and want to get her deplatformed everywhere.

An advanced search can be helpful.

It was a wind up.

DameMaud · 24/09/2022 16:54

Femm · 24/09/2022 14:34

She doesn't give a shit and I'm starting to wonder if this is what female liberation looks like.

this is an interesting point, thank you.

Made me pause and think too

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 16:58

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 16:42

You do like dictating to people don’t TIt?You made it up, you lied, it didn’t happen, so no, of course I’m not going to go and search for something that is a figment of your imagination.

Ostrich, head, sand.

Hepwo · 24/09/2022 16:58

Discovereads is going for rock bottom.

TheClogLady · 24/09/2022 17:00

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 16:40

Whats pathetic is you thinking I’m your personal search engine. It’s out there. Go look it up. It is how adults behave, you’re an adult, so use your adulting research skills and stop being a baby wanting to be spoon fed.

This is how women go from being a bit confused, down the rabbit hole of research and land smack bang on Team Terf.

Educating one’s self doesn’t have the result you are implying.
That’s why we ask you to bring references, because when we go looking, we only ever find the opposite to whatever it is you seem to expect us to find.

Perhaps you are using a completely different internet to the rest of us? Seems rather implausible but I can’t find any other explanation for such wild mischaracterisation of Posie and the things she’s actually said.

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 17:01

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 16:50

Receipts or GTFO.

Im “dictating” by refusing to spoon feed you information but you’re not dictating at all by giving me ultimatums you have no authority to give. 🤣

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 17:03

Hepwo · 24/09/2022 16:58

Discovereads is going for rock bottom.

She / he seems to have hit it some time ago. S/he really seems to hate women who disagree with him / her.

Discovereads · 24/09/2022 17:04

TheClogLady · 24/09/2022 17:00

This is how women go from being a bit confused, down the rabbit hole of research and land smack bang on Team Terf.

Educating one’s self doesn’t have the result you are implying.
That’s why we ask you to bring references, because when we go looking, we only ever find the opposite to whatever it is you seem to expect us to find.

Perhaps you are using a completely different internet to the rest of us? Seems rather implausible but I can’t find any other explanation for such wild mischaracterisation of Posie and the things she’s actually said.

Dear God, it’s not my problem you lack the research skills to find this stuff. It’s all the same internet. Just view and read everything. Stuff posted by both sides. View all the videos by PP and others who were there. Read testimony.

I haven’t ‘mischaracterised’ anything she has said. The web remembers. She can’t delete the evidence.

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