Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

Deny everything, Baldrick.

MW now quibbing over whether GCC upheld the complaints about AB. BC reads out an email from MS saying exactly the opposite.

Collapse of stout party.

Probably get more sense out of a turnip.

They all fall apart. He sounded quite convincing to start with, but you cant defend the indefensible in good faith. This is what comes across with every GCC witness. They treated her appallingly, and it's obvious to any observer.

Who is Mira Maker and why can we see her house?

BC finished with MW, now for AH.

The impression I get from MW's evidence is that GCC in general was not closely aligned to Stonewall (detriment 3) but the handling of the complaints by GCC was a shambles and wasn't fair, transparent, or in alignment with the complaints policy of GCC (detriments 2 and 4).

Yes Mira Maker if you're here you're in vision!

Right - so incredibly disingenuous I couldn’t believe it from what I understood to be a leading human rights chambers

Fascinating how concise and non-waffly the answers get on Mr. Hochhauser's turn

“We acted on the evidence before us” (and didn’t look at any of the evidence AB supplied of course).

Triotriotrio · Today 14:32

Who is Mira Maker and why can we see her house?

i am assuming in error. The sofa doesn't look like it's been quite prepared for public viewing tbh.

This is a long long long 'question'. See if he understands it.

Funny how he and AH pointed out that BC’s questions were too long...

I’m so distracted by this my toddler just handed me a poo (his own - the third ever he’s managed to do in the potty).

I've emailed the clerk about the person in vision to avoid any embarrassment for them!

TRAs on Twitter now accusing TRAs of being 'random anonymous weirdos'. Running scared I reckon

If Allison Bailey's argument depends on her proving that sexually abusive and intimidating comments on twitter are "endemic" to trans rights campaigning, that really says a lot about her, more than the trans movement which these random mostly anonymous weirdos don't represent.

twitter.com/Chican3ry/status/1528726787420741632?cxt=HHwWgICzrby6kLcqAAAA

Early hours and in proximity to christmas - double shot time!

Ha! Can we add 'I would have been asleep' to the bingo card?

Nice victim blaming there!

BC intervenes rarely, but caught AH using an incomplete version of an email chain in his re-examination.

Why is being asleep relevant is he saying he only reads emails if he’s at his laptop looking at the email tab?

Good catch by BC there. Hochhauser blaming his own bundle again.

AH Asking MW if he believes the first tweet was a breach of their policy. MW confirms he does NOT think it is a breach.

Doesn't really matter what he says, it was clearly a departure from the norm and a breach of their own policy.