Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

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What happened? I went to make tea and it kicked me out.

Side? What side?
Who said anything about a side??

A brief case management hearing.

5-10 mins, AH reckons.

I agree @ANewCreation that the word gender is germane to Allison's tweet.

What kind of person argues against someone saying ' X extremists - your time is up!'? Only those who recognise themselves in that description.

Peter Daly vaping away 😄

Hope the protagonists are watching this - all their emails in public view. All the squirming and public embarrassment to come. I think these organisations are so tied up in their righteous bubbles that they don't realise saying 'that hurts my feelings' won't work in a court of law. Indeed they think they are beyond the law. But, as we have seen in several cases, they are simply mot.

They haven't realised that they themselves are carrying prejudice and that thought is hard for them to swallow.

I think this is right, and I suspect this chambers, full as it was of people who believed themselves to be unshakeably On The Right Side Of History, might have been more vulnerable to Stonewall than a chambers which had a different sort of culture. If people are just in it for the money, or the status, or the challenge, or the thrill of being in court, they are less resistant to being criticised and may actually behave better. It's one of the problems with every kind of puritanism, that those most susceptible - and who become most destructive in their zealotry - are often the people to whom being good really matters.

Has it frozen or is it me?

Loving the qc chugging their drink before realising camera was on 🤣

Thank you. I thought something had kicked off and I had fomo.

BC: Did you read these complaints before you decided to send out your response tweet?
JK: Can't remember.

Do we know what the case issue was?

JK keeps mentioning the reputational damage potentially caused by AB

Anyone remember the moment in Forstater when a CGD witness mentioned trying to limit relational damage and Ben Cooper said, very gently, "It would be unkind of me to ask how that went..."? 😂

Well it’s all going on isn’t it?
I have seen this in my own life, people think I have a bee in my bonnet about “the trans stuff” and that I keep banging on, and they feel that they are kinder and have a superior understanding. I see the same look on peoples faces that I feel on my own when a friend talks about crystals and horoscopes . We have been seen as the conspiracy theorists/ outliers and not worthy of respect, but needing to be kept in line. But for these people to have so little respect for a colleague, who had always been honest and principled is still shocking.

My internet fell over and I'm just back in - apparently I missed lip-balm??

Did they say what the case-management hearing was about?

Reputational, dammit!

Yup. It is remarkable how it is BC on the receiving end of interruptions, objections, witness non-availability, immovable cameras that create teeny tiny views of witnesses under his cross examination, distracting echoes etc. He seems to have been able to conduct his client's case without creating any of these issues for the other side.

Can anyone explain how to download the documents everyone is allowed to download, please? Or do you have to write in or something?

By the way, what was the crisis that had engulfed chambers that distracted JK from being able to look properly at the complaints? (I don't think she was referring to a bereavement, I have a sense that was a separate matter.) I don't recall any of the other GCC barristers talking about being in the midst of a crisis.

Dealing with this was the crisis but they were also very busy doncha know. And jolly kind to Allison so she shouldn't have been mean to them

Yes, that was a great moment.

If you're signed in to the hearing Turquoisellama you click on the links in the chat section to download the documents.

If you're not there, you can get hold of a very limited set of documents but they won't help you to follow the hearing.

Indeed.
I often have to instruct barristers in my own job. Mostly I am in different geographic areas (though not a million miles away) but if I was to need someone for London hearings I know I’d be wary of this Chambers, given this showing.