Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

The issue is the fact Chambers, through the trans rights working group, took a side on a political issue. So of course if anyone takes the other side they're going to say it goes against their position.

I guess, using the 'crime' example, it would be similar to Chambers taking a position that it will campaign for drug legalisation and establishing a 'drug legalisation working group'. Then if/when someone tweeted they were against legalising drugs, telling them they have to moderate/change their tweets so that it doesn't contradict Chambers stated position.

What is the question? [agog]

BC: did you think that the claim GCC was in breach of the Equality Act was actually a fact?

JK seems to accept this. That a barristers' chambers should have looked into a statement about the law like this.

Oh dear.

Surely before you throw a longstanding member of chambers under the bus, you would at the least, despite how busy you are, would look at the tweet?

It is unbelievable that JK didn't see it.

Waffle, excuses, blah blah blah. Finally the answer - someone else's fault, didn't give enough of a shit to do my own due diligence, anyway not my fault,

Ooh, that was a good question. Thanks nauticant

How could Allison be in breach of the EQA 2010 as an individual? I thought it only applied to public bodies, companies etc.

GCC actions show that they thought AB was transphobic.

But the tweet you sent out tells everyone that GCC agreed that Allison was transphobic.

BC has the patience of a saint.

Erm - MB email complaining about washing dirty transphobic laundry in public?

Very insightful. I think deeds not words are important when exposing these sorts of underlying beliefs.

GCC say they believe in equality, progressiveness etc but they are bending over backwards (seemingly) to be concerned about the vulnerabilities of a man but can't be bothered to find out about the death threats against an arguably equally vulnerable woman. Their deeds do not show equality of approach.

Thank you 👍

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JK seems to think that AB needed to have warned GCC in advance of sending a tweet which unbeknownst to AB was about to cause a storm, but isn't so keen to say that GCC needed to have warned AB is advance of sending a tweet that anyone could see would be damaging to AB.

Good point

Who are LT and Mark W in these exchanges? I'm following along on tribunal tweets but can't find either of those names on the dramatis personae.

I know JK is being quite cagey, but she is much more forthcoming than other members of GCC.

Leslie Thomas who was a HoC at the time, and Mark Wainwright.

I can't remember who the latter is.

Leslie Thomas and Marc Williers

'This was the thick of it' she's right there - where was Malcolm Tucker.

It's definitely an omnishambles!

I find it very hard to believe that GCC have not carried out a series review of every action that everyone took about this situation leading up to the tribunal.

So, for me, the 'I can't remember bullshit' is a deliberate strategy to cover up their appalling failure of process.

AH interrupting again, EJ tells him to pipe down and save it for cross.

EJ to AH 'save it' 😂

AH: Mum! Mum!
Ben's doing something!