Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 7

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Sorry should have had a question mark there, @LouiseBelchersBunnyEars

No, just checked, it was Sanjay Sood-Smith.
Guy that was on the apprentice

I can’t remember what his role was though?

SSS is ex Stonewall.

@ifIwerenotanandroid so's the sprog, sounds perfect, thank you.

Sanjay Sood-Smith was SW's Executive Director of Workplace and Community Programmes.

Role in this is a little murky to me. Plausibly mostly about the influence of the Diversity Champions' scheme, WEI etc.?

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:
Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance

Witnesses for the respondents:
Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - Stonewall (?) think STAG but didn't see their x-exam
Leslie Thomas QC - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC

To come - Judy Khan - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

Thanks folks. The witnesses for Alison feel like last year! Anything else wrong?

Is it ok to post full names? Should I revert to inititals?

Oh dear - now I'm stuck with a mental image of a miniature BC doll wearing stockings....

Shaan Knan never worked at Stonewall but was on the STAG. They worked for the LGBT Consortium.

Yes the other "Stonewally person" was the unimpressive ( but unhelpful to MB, so that should be interesting) Shann Knan.

I might need to book a day off for Judge Brewer time in the stand.

Allison Bailey - claimant
Witnesses for the claimant:
Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance
Witnesses for the respondents:
Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
To come - Judy Khan - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

(I've taken LT's QC off as pretty sure many (most?) others are QCs but can't remember who.) Also sorry mis-spelt Allison in last post.

Good grief, Morgan Page actually says that whereas the glass ceiling represented a barrier that women could not break through to access power and authority, the cotton ceiling represents underwear and signifies sex.

It couldn't be any plainer. Not least the awful matter-of-fact way in which it's apparently perfectly acceptable to have a fucking 'workshop' about getting sex from women whose orientation doesn't include you.

i'd like to know what tools would be employed by heterosexual males to access sex with homosexual females, that don't involve any kind of coercion.

I can't get over it. A bloody workshop!!

2.
a meeting at which a group of people engage in intensive discussion and activity on a particular subject or project.

Didn't one of the clerks give evidence earlier on? Or maybe I'm just remembering their evidence being referred to (only reading, not watching).

It's abhorrent and shame on MS for defending it.

Do we need to add David de Menezes to the list of possible witnesses?

He is head of marketing for GCC and was mentioned extensively by LT in his evidence

We saw Lisa Marie Taylor for Filia early on in this tribunal. I can't see why full names can't be used for those who have already appeared as that puts them in the public sphere.

God I missed some good stuff today. Damn

@SpiderVersed - I love that film! It has become a LiesDoNot family favourite.

'Never get involved in a land war in Asia' is still excellent advice.

'As you wish ' is usually the right answer.

'You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it does ' is appropriate more often than you'd think.

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I'm sure I remember Stonewall saying they were going to call 30 witnesses??

Meanwhile, David, Head of Brand, is worried that Siobhan Sharpe's 'curved gender' ideas may prove too complicated for the public, and starts to massage the message in advance of the tribunal hearing

'Anybody want a peanut?'

Also loved Peter Falk, pity Columbo can't be in the film, '..just one more thing'.

How is Louise Rankin (?) going to get any work done if there is a need for LR to turn out to be a page turner/IT support/whatever for that number of witnesses?

Oh, so much of this tribunal has had me mentally adding in a David Tennant voice over, as he did in W1A!
I know it's serious, and so horrible for Allison, but honestly, it does sound so unbelievable that so called highly intelligent, highly educated adults could behave in this way.

Just like W1A

Jaw dropping, tbh.

Crikey. I've just come to place mark and the thread is already at 624
Fast work vipers. It must have been a good day in court.

I'm imagining all the clerks as Joe from This Life but I get the sense they're more diverse than that.