Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 7

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

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You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Although MS has an account (tweets protected)

One of Michelle Brewer's really stirring it up emails ends with "I have not included Allison in this email - but understand that this email will be provided to Allison."

‘BEN is loving reading out these tweets in court, isn't he? What a great moment!’

DickWarlock is a great thing to read out. Just offensive enough to get the point across.

It's a huge testament to the marketing of the trans ideology, and a massive indictment of those who follow it, that these people aren't utterly outraged and shocked at the abuse someone gets for supporting an LGB charity.

I don't think ignorance is an acceptable defence, but yes, perhaps being far too busy and important will work??

MHL explained that GCC was trying to figure out how to respond to being caught in a crossfire. BC suggesting that ducking might have been a better response rather than pitching in. I did snort.

MHL: "It is in the policy, but that's not how it works in practise".

WTF is the point of the policy, then?

BC: Chambers decided to plump for a side, didn't they?

MHL: Not at all.

I beg to differ!

the whole “but what is this twitter of which you speak?” I am far too busy & important to have ever heard of it” line they are taking is an interesting one……

Gah, finally got back in after 20 minutes of black screen to hear 'time for a break'.

I'm catching up with this thread utterly open-mouthed at MS's behaviour on the stand, and that's just seeing the words on a screen...I can only imagine how it came across live.

I would have loved it if, when she huffed "I am a woman, Mr Cooper", Ben had asked her exactly how she was defining 'woman'.

I would have loved it if, when she huffed "I am a woman, Mr Cooper", Ben had asked her exactly how she was defining 'woman'.

@katmarie

She didn't huff it, she effin shouted it.

Jesus, we would have heard a bloody pin drop!

Sorry if this has been answered before, but why is it that this case is being heard remotely? Not that I’m complaining, as watching it is riveting, but just curious.

I quite like MKH, gotta be honest.

Very polite, very smiley, not at all perturbed. She seems quite good so far.

MHL sorry

And she practically spat 'MR Cooper'. It was astonishing really.

Why is HAkl-Law's camera still off? And EJ's?

I said MKH earlier too Gabcsika , apologies if it has now become contagious!

If i can just go on a tangent to pardonmytits...

Is your user name from Dexter, by any chance?

My reaction, too!

More credible & less histrionic. It's refreshing

I quite like this pairing - she seems to know her evidence and not try to fudge stuff, so far, and Ben is very polite.

"You're taking me down a rabbit hole I'm not prepared to go down"...said the lesbian to the trans lesbian woman.

OOOf

"She doesn't seem to care about the chambers at all, she is totally content on slagging off Stonewall".

Email from MHL to (MS I think?)