Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 7

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

EJ is now having to repeat BC's questions to get MS to engage rather than have another outburst.

Thanks for the updates from everyone as I am only following it on here.
I believe in freedom including men (including those who choose to identify as female) meeting to work out how to get more sex (plus ca change for most men to be honest which pretty much proves they are really men not women anyway), but to take all these measures against Allison B is the opposite of freedom. That is where the chambers went wrong here.

The bigger issue for all empoloyers however is when does someone's unpopular view (assuming AB's were unpopular which it certainly does not seem to be in the light of this thread) on something outside work mean the employer (not that AB is employed) may take action to protect the company - when a notorious employee outside work does work perfectly but lots of people think badly of that person (not that most of us think badly of AB) when can the employer act eg if shareholders are receiving fewer profits because everyone is avoiding the chambers where lawyers are calling for Russia to win in Ukraine etc. it is one reason I think it is best people keep off social media and ensure clients have no idea how they vote, what their views are , if they pro or anti eco measures etc etc on every issue. However I am crying into the wind on this and against the trend that people do want to put their views out there and just as well they do - had we not had Votes for Women in the past I would not even be allowed by law to do my job.

I hope she wins and people do fight back against this ideology. I specifically include "he or she" in many things these days and always avoid a pointless inaccurate plural where I can - just about the only thing I can do of practical use on this issue.

She doesn't 'know whom is being abusive to whom about what' on the terf is a slur website. So she hasn't properly read it.

Judge has her head in her hands 😂

MS is lying. She knows exactly who is being abusive to who about what on the terfisaslur website.

Nauticant, that sentence was on the tip of her tongue.

I'm not familiar with court proceedings- is it common for judges to have to repeat questions asked by barristers in order to get answers?

I agree, Clymene. Of course she knows, that's the whole point of the term "TERF"

Oh Ben is so so good. Today has been his best day I think.

@IdisagreeMrHochhauser

I'm so glad I don't have work today :)

MS/AH/IO et al have NO respect for the EJ and the tribunal. I half expect MS to say she's decided not to answer any more questions and flounce off

MS to BC "You're taking me down a rabbit hole I'm not prepared to go down".

Well maybe if you'd explored what was down the rabbit hole a bit earlier you wouldn't be sitting here having to do this now😀

@Gabcsika I am at work and listening between meetings. Not a lot of other work getting done.

I do have work today! This feels like it's era defining so I'm watching it anyway. I don't even care if I lose my job at this point.

I don't think so, only if the person giving evidence won't give a clear answer.

I half expect MS to say she's decided not to answer any more questions and flounce off

Like the TRA on Piers Morgan

I think she needs a glass of water.

He's pretty patient with her.

signing in & picking chin up from the floor.
Thank You for the new thread.

EJ is now nudging the cross-examination of MS to a close. Probably for the best.

If you hadn't dithered over answers this would already been over with. Honestly...

It's quite astonishing that MS, a QC, is effectively refusing to answer questions.

If you hadn't dithered over answers this would already been over with. Honestly...

YY.

@Clymene I don't think MS QC has answered a single question today

MS talks to BC like he's a dopey office junior.

I am supposed to be working from home today. Am getting nothing done and my surly, on-study-leave teenager keeps coming in and eyeing me disapprovingly.

Do we know who's after MS please?