Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 6

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets
Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Short break till 12.40.

Thank god for that. I've needed a wee for ages.

Thanks

Someone hasn't switched their microphone off.

@Ameanstreakamilewide that is my impression too.

Placemarking. Thanks for thread.

"Lets not let Bailey get away with it". Shameful

Oh, so Mr Hochhauser is taking over from his junior to do the re-examination. Interesting.

Oh really? I missed that as I was in the kitchen. That's very illuminating.

Yes, it is highly impressive how neutral he sounds when asking really quite damning questions. The polar opposite of the hectoring AH.

I have quite a crush on BC now.

Of course S K knew T* was a term of abuse!

Ask him if it's his opinion now BC!

Here we go again. Funny how none of them use social media and have no idea that terf is used in a derogatory way. Even as they're using it in a derogatory way.

Sorry what's the context for this, i keep getting distracted by work.

Thankfully I had my microphone muted as I typed that comment 😂

SK put it on their FB page.

The casual use of abusive and dehumanising language is shameful when it's read out. Had that been me found out doing something like this I'd spend years cringing over it. I just can't see people in the future looking back at this kind of abuse and applauding.

SK is currently denying that writing "terfy barrister" wasn't meant in a negative way at all.

Double negative there. Sorry. Hopefully you get the gist.

Thanks for this thread. I'm supposed to be working so can't watch the tribunal, and I find the tweeting not as clear as catching up here.

But I'm just picking up on the chat here and in the Chat of the online feed of the Tribunal about your screen name @nauticant I'm just a bit shocked (too strong a word, but startled anyway) that those simply watching the Tribunal online, and not participants in the actual hearing, are permitted to use the chat!

That doesn't seem productive, and could be really undermining of the process.

SK is just trying to avoid answering any question - astonishing how these well paid and educated people can never remember anything.

Support lawyer is the same one who was with KM

Last week, BC read out some offensive Tweets using Terf, and one of them used the words 'cunt wipe'.

Said in BC's mellow, no nonsense voice, inside a courtroom - it brought it into even sharper relief.

SK trying to present this as a simple disagreement with gender critical opinion. The tribunal surely won't miss that and realise what it signifies: that Stonewall etc are so confident in being right that they will abuse and not even be aware of doing so.

Re: MB

Does anyone know how much authority over witnesses a tribunal judge has?

In a criminal trial I think a witness can be compelled to attend (otherwise contempt of court) even if they end up having to be treated as a hostile witness, but of course a tribunal isn't a criminal proceeding, so if a witness refuses to appear, can anything be done about it? And how much of a negative inference can the judge draw from that refusal?

Does it keep freezing for anyone else?? It's most frustrating, I keep missing details!