Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 6

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Yes Signal I thought the same. She’s reminding me of LT: all very vague and hand wavery until they get cross and then immediately switch.

Apple users! I have finally managed to get in. Had to do as pp said (I'm v sorry I haven't scrolled back to see who it was), but initially ensure the video and audio are not crossed out as per instructions as these are the court audio and video. Then on the pop up, for my own audio and video I had to select default and allow rather than none. Then once in very quickly hit the blue video and audio buttons to mute/hide myself. It worked. Hooray. Such a shame to have missed AB but finally able to follow when not at work. Thanks for the tips.

I'm not watching and relying on this thread for updates, but I'm forming a picture that for anyone in employment asked to investigate a complaint against a colleague, this case is a handy "How Not To Do It" guide...

This is a very stuttery response when MS is asked about her email complaining about AB "slagging off Stonewall".

Interesting reference to opposition to Stonewall there. Haven't read her witness statement. Now she knows there is opposition to Stonewall how does she feel about it?

I'm not reading MS as gender critical, more that challenging Stonewall is offensive in itself.

I don't think MS is that taken with the chambers being Stonewall Diversity Champions. She just called it "this thing" with quite a scathing tone. And that's the 2nd time she put on a voice when mentioning it.

This is the whole point, isn't it? Stonewall are important and shouldn't be offended.

I thought there was a pretty telling bit of venom in her delivery of 'Stonewall Diversity Champion' then...

Signal x-post!

Absolutely, Eresh.

I was wondering if I was imagining it!

MS: "Didn't KM say that anything was evidence of transphobia?"

!!! In that case I can't read MS properly at all.

How interesting that its two female barristers who were instructed to take on the thankless task of investigating the complaints. The big important male barristers clearly too busy jetting around and dealing with their important cases.

Now MS has to sit and defend it. I'd be p*sssed off too

And there we have it again. The anger at Allison for dragging them into this process.

I suspect that MS was possibly ambivalent/ onside with Allison prior to Allison's comment to her about harassment and has taken it very personally.

Thanks everyone for your insights into "keep free" and alternatives when managing your own diaries. Interesting.

I didn’t think it was possible for so many Pontius Pilates to work in one building.

Why don't Chambers have a 'practice manager' to do all the HR stuff in the same way that GPs do?

I can't believe the number of people in chambers who don't use social media, or very rarely.

Some do.

Wow she sounds outraged!

She really doesn't want to commit does she.

We're getting to one of the fundamental points here. GCC reacted so strongly that they had been accused of discrimination, because it undermines their self image, and as a result they were unable to respond to AB's push-back in a reasonable way.

MS responds to this is being almost unthinkable. (I'm paraphrasing.)

How dare he question her again in the morning?

I think that what genuine upset? She sounds like she's angry at the accusation but also about to cry.