Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 6

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Maybe judge can put on CBeebies at 4.20pm, it's sometimes the only way to get through the witching hour before tea's ready.

😂

I hadn't noticed the birdsong, Lio. I am trying to learn to put names to songs so I shall listen out tomorrow.

Seems likely to me that TMs are being put in the firing line because they're expendable. But I have been very surprised at their calibre.

I'm currently in an online event where the speaker is apologising for the cries of mating peacocks in the background…

To be fair peacocks do sound especially alarming.

or maybe its the peahens.

Maybe they are genderfluid peafowl.

Presumably Stonewall have to answer to the Charity Commission don’t they? Surely they have to do some sort of due diligence (with all their ‘subgroups’), for the Charity Commission?

I think only letting them have water is a bit harsh when clearly some of them need rusks.

We are doing barrister-led weaning here and it's working pretty well although it can get messy.

I logged in on my iPhone after enabling both audio and video and then had to disable my video once in.

Good point - and making me splutter into my tea :)

‘We are doing barrister-led weaning here and it's working pretty well although it can get messy.’

Mainly because we’re all being asked to swallow a load of bullshit?

Just as well I suppose that they weren't minded to have a Stonewall Lesbian Advisory Group....

Are you saying that BC has an undisclosed support Wren?

Are you saying that BC has an undisclosed support Wren?

Those are cock fighting words. I'd say that you must be eagle-eyed but you this is all based from song identification?

I'm sitting on my hands not to type out the cuckoo quip that is waiting to be written by someone.

I'll buzzard for now.

Indeed! I hope that they were told to provide their usernames for Twitter and other social media platforms. Although given the lack of transparency from the operators of those sites it would be very difficult to verify them.

I've a vague recollection of SW's 1st disclosure giving little & it was only once GCC's disclosure was made that it became obvious there was communication between them & that SW had discussed AB, so a second attempt was made using the disclosure from GCC. Perhaps the timing coincides with some point after GCC's disclosure?

I have no idea how co-ordinated the respondents were initially as I'm wondering if the SK statement was put together after GCC disclosure (sort of reconstructing events from a (poor) memory & GCC's disclosure?

The Q about how SK takes notes given the additional support measures in place suggests (to me, at least) there was a method of taking notes used to assist & I don't think that's been disclosed. Someone else has suggested that those notes will be contemporaneous & more likely to reflect the meeting that the statements from June 2020. The comment about the document Ben C QC asked for was started on in June 2020 so I'm not sure this is the contemporaneous notes either.

I guess we'll find out more tomorrow...

Underrated comment.

Yes, he has spoken very rarely but always on point. Interesting that Judge Goodman had so many questions for Mr Knan, too.

I think the only thing that’s clear is that lettuce does indeed suck. Broccoli rules #Nodebate

Does anyone know who's on tomorrow?

Or, to put it another way, if you could take one day off work this week and wanted to catch some of the trial, which day do you think will be best to watch? Is there any idea of who will be on this week?

More Rajiv Menon for a bit.

Thanks, a calming thought to end the coverage on.

Big LOL at Barrister Led Weaning

I think box office billing after Allison is Michelle Brewer but sadly we don't have a timetable/ list of witnesses.