Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 6

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

The question has not been asked and answered.

The witnesses for the Respondents can dish it out, but they cannae take it!
Extraordinarily bold when (it looks like) they were scheming against Allison (or LT deciding it wasn't a priority to him), making YouTube videos etc. Angry, self-pitying, forgetful when having to account for their actions.
Stonewall throwing junior staff under a bus is absolutely despicable. If they acted outwith the authority of their employer, I'm sure they will be leading evidence and demonstrating the paper trail showing the subsequent investigation, disciplinary process. Otherwise they must be vicariously liable?
Judges not impressed with obvious breech kf disclosure rules too.

Ooh, RM agrees that the language used was arguably 'shameful'

It was shameful. He could just have ignored her email but he punished her for making a claim under the law.

BC: Was it not shameful to say -
AH: That question has been asked and answered.
BC: Was it not shameful to say in that email -
AH: That question has been asked and answered
EJ: I don't know what the question is. Please ask the question, Mr Cooper
BC: (Asks question)
RM: That's a different question.

I would like BC to ask why MG DID provide the details requested 12 hours later. Was he told to be helpful after a complaint had been made?

'But how would they know it wasn't urgent?' Exactly

BC getting cross about the constant interruptions from AH.

Hochhauser trying to direct BC questions. BC told AH to let him finish.

BC telling Hockhauser to do one 👏

Overall I'd have preferred the Gatley affair to have been part of setting the scene for the claim in general relating to prejudice from GCC rather than having it at the centre of the case as has been done.

EJ: time to call a halt and resume tomorrow, everyone is overtired.

Finished for today, resumes tomorrow at 10am.

Sigh, it was just getting spicy.

Oh no. I literally logged back on to hear EJ say she was going to disconnect us.

If anyone has managed to get access via an iPhone can you let me know the settings. I tried everything and couldn't get audio or video.

Sounds like toddlers.

Yes it is an excellent example of the hostility chambers had for AB.

If anyone has managed to get access via an iPhone can you let me know the settings. I tried everything and couldn't get audio or video.

Same here. Tried Safari and Chrome, neither worked

exchange of the day!!

thanks for all your suggestions re the refresh. I WFH, I'm having internet issues Virgin can't fix, laptop issues the tech team can't fix so I've not got any meaningful work done for a few days now, and the MN refersh issue was the last straw.

Exactly. It was the judge equivalent of interrupting a toddler on the verge of throwing a 5 o'clock wobbly to say ' Right, time to go home now and get some tea.'

does Stonewall have any "senior staff" - they all seem to be very junior or at least immature.

The likes of RM & the rest of GCC must be horrified to see in court exactly who they were paying to direct them in such important matters.

<play Wizard of Oz/Emperors New Clothes mash up tape here>

I get in on an iphone by clicking the guest link, opening it on safari, making sure my camer and mic are set to default - and then switching them off as soon as I'm in (I think mic is automatically muted but I have to put my thumb over my camera and click the camera off as soon as I enter. Been doing this since the start and it works fine I then stream the audio in my car on my way home from work

I'm wondering out loud whether the interviews with SW staff and volunteers will be one of the key exposing areas of the tribunal.
We are seeing first hand who has been basically forming public policy - and they are less than impressive!

@TheClitterati just seen we are in agreement!

I'd missed that that is coming up.

does Stonewall have any "senior staff" - they all seem to be very junior or at least immature

KM is 34, iirc, and has the title Head of Trans Inclusion which sounds quite senior.

There are some people getting in on phones whose phone number is visible on the screen. Just thought I'd better mention that while the topic has come up!

Or is the visible phone number a result of using one of the other links instead of the browser access link?