Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 5

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thanks for the new thread. Been too busy to follow along much during the day so appreciate the commentary.

@MsFogi what does this mean please?

I hope BC will give AB a red bag after this tribunal is over (she deserves one!!).

Adding my gratitude for the new thread & the commentary.

I managed to dip into Twitter a couple of times today but find the explanations here paint a colourful picture, Glad to hear that Allison has been so eloquent. She's made some excellent points and I hope this will be reported on in the press.

Red bags question - see www.johnsonastills.com/site/blog/ejablog/helen-johnsons-red-bag

Sounds like Allison did brilliantly today. She's my shero right now. I finished reading her statement this morning. It's so clear and well written. It's clear she was treated appallingly and she manages to convey the facts and some emotion without being emotive.

Thanks so much as well for the threads; they're excellent.

Thanks for the explanation Xenia. (That whooshing sound was the original reference to red bags flying over my head...)

@BoreOfWhabylon barristers have a blue drawstring bag for their gown and wig. Only QCs can buy red bags and can give one to a junior barrister (ie not a QC) who has done a stunningly spectacular job on a case with them. Whilst AB has not been BC's junior on this case I think everyone would agree - she is doing a stunningly spectacular job on this case (and I suspect has done masses of the prep work on it). She may of course already have been given a red bag by another QC but, if not, I hope BC gives her one once this is all well and truly over (he may not as I suspect that would be fraught with all sorts of issues for him and her but I can at least say on this forum that the woman deserves a goddam red bag!!! and I hope that BC considers getting her on board as his junior counsel on the inevitable future cases about GC beliefs, as a result of the CASS report and generally about undermining women's rights).

Thank you Xenia and MsFogi for the explanations.

I hope Allison gets her red bag and fab kick-ass red shoes to match!

Thank you to everyone on these threads who has given detailed, knowledgeable information about the court processes and nuances - some of these go way over my head!

Very interesting re: the red bags. Thank you for the links.

I went down a rabbit hole earlier this evening following the cotton ceiling links a previous poster put up.

Urghhhhhh! Tellingly it made me want to do the same thing as being abused as a child did. I just want to go and scrub myself raw to get the stench of those thoughts these people have off me.

Thanks @nauticant , I'm hoping I can log in and watch some tomorrow.

@Boiledbeetle 😔 that’s awful, I feel for you

The proposed schedule for tomorrow is that the first hour will be AH finishing his cross-examination of AB before BC gets a go with the GCC witnesses. They might be a fascinating watch but our experience watching Mr Lue of GCC earlier was tedious quibbling over the questions with denials of him being aware of anything at all. On the strength of his performance, it's possible he is the least observant barrister in London.

Thank you to everyone on these threads. I’m working and in another time zone, so this is the main way I’m trying to catch what’s happening with Ms Bailey’s hearing.

Aghast that evidence was given by SW snowflakes that they would be intimidated by Ms Bailey in a public lavatory. Homophobic, racist and misogynist, much?

I almost cried when I read her witness statement. It is a magnificent piece of writing: really logical and articulate and clear about her life and her beliefs, and where those came from. But heartrending about her life experiences. I just wanted to hug her!

Placemarking

@ItsLateHumpty thank you for the flowers.

Is it a 10am start again tomorrow?

Yup, the tribunal is sitting from 10 tomorrow (unlike last Friday).

Thank you @TheBiologyStupid

Off topic, but the Gender Recognition Reform Bill consultation in Scotland closes on Monday (views from outside of Scotland are welcome): forwomen.scot/gender-recognition-reform-bill-call-for-views/

Catching up from today.

Fascinating to see a name from my distant past pop up - Dave Renton, the Old Etonian nephew of Thatcher’a chief whip. I knew him vaguely at Oxford in the early 90s. He was a member of the SWP, whose Oxford chapter was almost completely comprised of Old Etonians, and spent his Saturdays selling the Socialist Worker on Cornmarket Street, not very successfully. There’s a deeply self-regarding Wikipedia page about him that bears all the hallmarks of being self-penned.

You couldn’t make it up really. I told my husband, who also knew him, what he was accused of doing, and he snorted and said “well nobody would be surprised by that.”

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Thanks all. Fascinating and Allison so stressful but 👏👏👏🍷

Yep go do this. Scotland lost at moment

“I told my husband, who also knew him, what he was accused of doing, and he snorted and said “well nobody would be surprised by that.”

Snort.