Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 3

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

KM has just admitted that "terf" is used as a synonym for transphobe

KM thinks rad fems are in powerful positions & are running the world - if only!

So now it's impossible for TERF to be a slur due to the power imbalance. TERFs are a powerful majority and trans people are a minority.

But I thought TERFs were a tiny minority of women?

Because Mumsnet is full of women who should be spending our time doing proper women stuff but don't - so we are clearly not actual women

Ah Ben none of us can follow KM's logic either

And there we have it - women esp radical feminists are the oppressors!!!!!

Allison Bailey is a black feminist lesbian, the people attacking her seem frequently to be middle class white men. So she has the power, does she?

Oh, the EJ is getting years and years worth of gender ideology vomited all over her court in mere minutes.

It sounds even more deluded in one vimititious lump than it does in repeated smaller sections.

Surely every word he utters is good for AB?!?!!

Any idea how much this guy was earning?

So now it's impossible for TERF to be a slur due to the power imbalance

That's classical critical theory.

Sounds as if the dog is identifying as a cat.

I can hear a cat - is there a cat identifying as a support dog?

These are responding to someone who wants to do harm to transpeople. Is KM really saying that about AB?

Not watching live, can someone who is just clarify something for me please? When KM says this about the nasty TERF tweets:

these are different to previous tweets. Those were violent. These are responding to someone who wants to do harm to transpeople

Is KM saying AB wants to do harm to transpeople?

She has common sense, logic, and intelligence. That is not the same as power but it is equally threatening to some.

KM: these are different to previous tweets. Those were violent. These are responding to someone who wants to do harm to transpeople.

Is he talking about AB here?

Kirrin doesn't know when to stop talking. My phone keeps turning Kirrin into Kidding 😀

I don't think he's mentioned AB specifically but that's his general suggestion

Quick interrupt !

IO really isn't helping she's coming across as panicking

Ah yes, like the 'TW cannot commit rape - only force sex' theory that has been tried before because of the 'power imbalance'.

This never seems to actually work well when it meets reality and law.

I’m doing errands. Did he really just say cracker wasn’t a slur?

KM said more than once that terf is a word for people who want to or do cause harm to trans people. That's pretty strong. I wish we could be recording this. I hope the judge noticed it amongst all the other sludge.

I don't think he's mentioned AB specifically but that's his general suggestion

From the context on Twitter it looks like he is talking about Tweets that were written in response to AB.

The census isn't about validation though it's about facts