Pushback at Wi Spa in Los Angeles

[FannyCann]

Well it's all kicking off at the spa. An amazing woman behind the desk standing up for women and telling a man where to take his penis. I fear she will lose her job over this but it's a glorious way to go.

twitter.com/stillgray/status/1408997169344909313?s=21

@Helleofabore

Thanks Datun.

archive.is/bBshL

Is the one I was thinking of.

Jeez.

How, HOW can we stop females from lying all the time? Females just love to lie so much! How many good men's (and trans women's) lives must be ruined by lying females before enough is enough and we simply ban females from speaking?
Sure, some good cis women who say the words we want to hear will be impacted but I'm sure they'll agree (by nodding) that it will be worth it to allow men and trans women the freedom from wicked, elaborate, video-recorded, communally-experienced lies they deserve.

Monday

@MondayYogurt

How, HOW can we stop females from lying all the time? Females just love to lie so much! How many good men's (and trans women's) lives must be ruined by lying females before enough is enough and we simply ban females from speaking? Sure, some good cis women who say the words we want to hear will be impacted but I'm sure they'll agree (by nodding) that it will be worth it to allow men and trans women the freedom from wicked, elaborate, video-recorded, communally-experienced lies they deserve.

The artist who drew the stitched mouth in response to the Jess de Wahls Royal Society imbroglio had a solution (iirc, Kelly White turned up on MN in response to fans here):

twitter.com/kelly_white_2/status/1406362571469361154

Believe women.

Also - Believe, women!

Hi, I'm really late to this thread, but wanted to say how mind-blowing it is that the TRAs are calling this woman a liar. Apparently if it had been true that a naked man had appeared alongside women and children in a nude spa, we'd know because everyone would have taken pictures! Because of course people carry phones with them when they aren't dressed, and of course the first reaction of a woman in such a situation is to take a photo of the individual and upload it - no matter how he might react, and no matter how weird it would feel taking a picture of a naked stranger at all!

The latest I saw was that they were accusing the woman of being set up by the 'anti-trans movement' because she's just too eloquent. What happened to listening to women of colour? Only listen to them if they're saying what you want, it seems.

No one believes it didn't happen.

No one.

It really does make you wonder what the people who are trying to say it's not true are like in real life.

My head I've got a pretty good idea.

*In my head

DisgustedofManchester

"Erm no, its unacceptable to lie about being offended by things that have never happened. I have yet to hear of any trans woman deliberately exposing herself in a single sex space in the UK and to be honest, I don't actually trust many of the US outlets as reliable. This is like many stories we see. Complete outrage followed by the truth because anti-trans people have to make things up to be outraged at."

This is a deeply silly response. Watching the video, it is patently obvious that this is not made up. There are multiple women in bathrobes and wet hair who have hurriedly left the spa area because of the presence of an unclothed individual with exposed penis. One of these women is visible on the video in the process of trying to get her money back because of the incident. The spa employee is on camera defending the spa under the argument that the spa has no legal alternative but to allow the individual with a penis into the women's area. Other women are agreeing in the background that it is unacceptable for the individual with a penis to be in the women's area. When the man in the lobby defends the actions of the individual who exposed a penis in the women's area, the woman doing the filming reacts with spontaneous emotion and raw observations rather than with carefully organized anti-trans arguments. This is clearly multiple, independent witnesses reacting spontaneously to an event in progress. If you don't find this convincing, then that shows nothing more than your own invincible unwillingness to address evidence neutrally.

So powerful. So clear and unequivocal.

I believe her. We believe women when they say they have been sexually assaulted or harassed, because this is a feminist board. Mumsnet was the home of the #webelieveher campaign. Hope that helps all the people here who don't appear to know what feminism means.

twitter.com/msediewyatt/status/1413007992484601864?s=20

If you don't find this convincing, then that shows nothing more than your own invincible unwillingness to address evidence neutrally.

It's my unequivocal opinion, that Manchester does find it entirely convincing.

Otherwise they wouldn't be involved in this embarrassing display.

Yeah this just goes back to the old trope that women are always lying about sexual assault.

Even Owen Jones has retweeted the article saying it was staged - accusing women of lying about this stuff is just so woke.

Nasty apologist.

Perhaps Owen can do a guest slot on A Voice For Men.

Even Owen Jones has retweeted the article saying it was staged - accusing women of lying about this stuff is just so woke.

Gawd, he hasn't has he!

These twits never learn. The first thing I would do is go and look for myself, to see if I could detect ze lying. It's a challenge innit.

But it's so obviously authentic, he's going to look not just duplicitous, but stupid.

I mean, I don't know if the woman could sue people for defamation. As it's fairly easy to prove.

Screenshot of Jones retweet.

For my sins I do still think of him as a fairly credible journalist, despite massively disagreeing with him on this issue, but then he tweets shit like this and I really doubt myself.

Women matter.

Believe women

Women say No.

Get over it.

And again. No.