Pushback at Wi Spa in Los Angeles

[FannyCann]

Well it's all kicking off at the spa. An amazing woman behind the desk standing up for women and telling a man where to take his penis. I fear she will lose her job over this but it's a glorious way to go.

twitter.com/stillgray/status/1408997169344909313?s=21

Maybe if you've had loads of shit you feel more inclined to help others?

It's been shown that people with cheaper cars are more likely to allow pedestrians to cross, and that poorer neighbourhoods give more generously to beggars. Empathy is strong.

Floral

@SpindleWhorl

It's the new intersectionality. Their white privilege intersects with their class privilege and their indifference privilege.

@Delphinium20

Don't forget that of the TRAs, a large amount are white men. So they share the same circles as white women.

Yes, its white kids at uni is where it started, I guess if you have to share a dorm with them you cant dissent.

@dyslek

It just outlines how this is a movement for privilaged white men and women.

I saw a few comments on lipstickalley, saying how pleased they were that it was a black woman who was being so vocal on the video. The posters discussing it felt that a white woman would have been more easily dismissed as a white conservative/karen/privileged white woman type. That by it being a black woman who was making the complaint it made it harder to fall back on the usual dismissals. However, we can see how quickly those dismissals came about, the claims that this was staged because the woman is a Christian conservative.

Yet that man who couldn't call her 'karen' just said she was behaving like a 'dick' instead. Didn't matter what colour she was, she was a woman who should shut up instead of calling any man out for anything, in his eyes.

A white woman who was older. 75+ or something. Might have got the same reaction. Or a nun. Or in general a woman who is the right sort of victim...

As per my PP in general where I live in general white women and men just don't want to get involved. I don't know what it is. I'm white. We seem to be... Cowed? Embarrassed to act?

Both the men and the women.

(MASSIVE generalisations obv and from my bit of London and just on things in my own life).

All I can say is it feels like there's this... Almost palpable pressure to not act, not say, not support, to have this internal should I shouldn't I until whatever it is has gone.

I've stepped in a few times when a girl was being hassled. Oh hi! How are you? Let's go over here for a chat.

When a teenage girl was getting beaten up outside the house I called the police. I wanted to shout or go out, DH was worried about repurcussions and I was a bit pissed so didn't. Found out from neighbours I was the only one who called.

When I've been in situations and asked for help my friends weren't interested, a couple at the tube weren't interested.

I told off a bus driver who jumped the lights and nearly killed a kid. Jumped on next stop and told him off.

Not to say I'm fab or anything but just people just DO NOT do anything.

Where we go on hols if someone does something even minor passers by tell them off!

What is going on here. I don't know.

@Cailleach1

Yet that man who couldn't call her 'karen' just said she was behaving like a 'dick' instead. Didn't matter what colour she was, she was a woman who should shut up instead of calling any man out for anything, in his eyes.

It was rather ironic that the insult he used is a euphemism for male genitalia.

I don't think it was ironic.

She says can't quite remember. Like- he's got s dick

He says

You're a dick

Nice.

Karen at the start in USA meant white women who used their... History/ position/ how the police are

To get black men into trouble (arrested imprisoned shot)

She's black and.. a Karen?

Same as black women have been called 'white feminists' if they disagree.

Just chuck any old insults at women until they fuck off.

It's pathetic.

The 'Karen' thing really does not travel well to the UK at all.

That's not important though!

I've seen posters told off on here for

Thug
Fat
And more.

Karen is an example.

We have a different history, culture, political and religious landscape etc.

USA people insisting this that and the other really gets on my tits tbh.

Bathroom. Nope. Go away!

Not fat

Fag

Autocorrect is a cultural imperialist :D

Good. Women only spaces are for women only.

Men are a statistical risk factor as a class, and predatory men do not need to be intact to be predatory. It is an extra weapon in their arsenal, but they also possess fingers, fists and generally stronger physiques with which to harm. They have eyes which disregard and transgress boundaries. They have minds full of the pornography they consume at terrifying rates.

This is so true.

Exposing their genitals is just a lazy way to display their arrogance and contempt for us. With or without a penis, they like us to know they can harm women and children if they choose to. And with the help of their woke allies, they can threaten us at no risk to themselves.

Women who refuse to accept this are fighting for us all.

police didn't bother to investigate Sarah Everard's alleged murderer exposing himself in a fast food restaurant

And there’s decades of evidence that rapists often start out with ‘minor’ sexual offences, and progress to violent attacks, presumably as the thrill wears off. Even with the tiny conviction rate for indecent exposure etc, and the ease with which early crimes can be hidden if (as is usually the case) the sentence is light.

Latest reporting is there has been no police report or investigation requested, and the whole thing seems to have been a set-up to stir up trouble and rage - well that worked for them!

If she has evidence of the crime, she should produce it, or at least make a signed statement to the cops so she can be held accountable if it comes out false. Its quite irresponsible, as people have been hurt on all sides from the violence that followed.

It would be nice to move away from this right wing stuff and back into equality feminism.

www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/

"There is increasing doubt among law enforcement and staff at the Wi Spa whether there was ever was a transgender person there to begin with. Anonymous sources within the LAPD tell the Blade they have been unable to find any corroborating evidence that there was a transgender person present on that day.

Similarly, a source at the Spa told the Blade there’s no record of any of its usual transgender clients on its appointments guest list on the day in question. Treatment at the Spa is by appointment only, and most of its transgender clients are well known to the staff."

The constant attempts to downplay this stuff are relentless.

But it's nice to see these you recognise that a male in a space where women undress is a crime mishy.

Funny that no one has come out and made an official statement, just anon "sources" within the spa and police.

She has been told by the staff that they cannot discriminate. Why on earth would she report it to the police? She is obviously aware that nothing can be done while that law is in place.

And it was a hot tub, not a treatment. So, reporting on a treatment booking is misdirection.

So, this is a pretty empty statement to make MishyJDI. It is meaningless.

Almost in the same vein of telling a founder of Stonewall to educate themselves on the history of gay rights really.

So, Mishy, do you think that it is acceptable for a naked male with a penis to get into a hot tub with either a nine year old girl or a six year old girl present?

That is the safeguarding issue that needs to be addressed. All this discussion about whether that incident on that day was made up (was the mother of the six year old lying too) and police and treatments are just distraction, deflection and misinformation that fails to address the actual issue.

Is it acceptable for a naked male with a penis to get into a hot tub with either a nine year old girl or a six year old girl present?

@MishyJDI

Latest reporting is there has been no police report or investigation requested, and the whole thing seems to have been a set-up to stir up trouble and rage - well that worked for them!

If she has evidence of the crime, she should produce it, or at least make a signed statement to the cops so she can be held accountable if it comes out false. Its quite irresponsible, as people have been hurt on all sides from the violence that followed.

It would be nice to move away from this right wing stuff and back into equality feminism.

www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/

"There is increasing doubt among law enforcement and staff at the Wi Spa whether there was ever was a transgender person there to begin with. Anonymous sources within the LAPD tell the Blade they have been unable to find any corroborating evidence that there was a transgender person present on that day.

Similarly, a source at the Spa told the Blade there’s no record of any of its usual transgender clients on its appointments guest list on the day in question. Treatment at the Spa is by appointment only, and most of its transgender clients are well known to the staff."

I agree. Those people who dressed in ninja like face coverings reminded me very much of far right vigilantes. Seemingly they first attacked photographers who did not look as if they were fellow travellers of their ideology. So they would not be seen physically attacking the women and seemingly they selectively edited to show religious people. I don't know if the kicking of people on the ground or smashing a skateboard over the head of someone was them 'being kind'. Your moral compass would not only need to be on the ground, but buried in the mud if anyone that they were anything but vicious thugs. Obviously they must think certain other ideologies are not allowed.

Is there a right to peaceful protest in the US? Or freedom of conscience?

Your moral compass would not only need to be on the ground, but buried in the mud

I don't think there are any worries on that score.

If you cannot find the fact you are looking for, create it.

I think i remember someone doing that in the past

Why would she report it to the police if it's legal?
That's a bizarre comment.

Who has asked the police to check if something legal has been reported to the police?

And then the police spent time hunting and searching for the report of the legal thing?

Is that the best you've got?

Scraping

If you cannot find the fact you are looking for, create it

Are you saying that it's not a fact that born males can now use women's facilities, alongside women, as long as those born males identify themselves as female? Is this not true then?