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Pushback at Wi Spa in Los Angeles

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FannyCann · 27/06/2021 11:14

Well it's all kicking off at the spa. An amazing woman behind the desk standing up for women and telling a man where to take his penis. I fear she will lose her job over this but it's a glorious way to go.

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ScreamingMeMe · 07/07/2021 09:54

Some other good comments

"Don't stare at people's junk." The priests told the children they abused to avert their eyes, too. Whole communities and hierarchies averted their eyes. We know exactly what abusers mean when they use this language.

twitter.com/JamesBarry1789/status/1412154364618227721?s=20

“It is very tempting to take the side of the perpetrator. All the perpetrator asks is that the bystander do nothing. He appeals to the universal desire to see, hear, and speak no evil [...]"

twitter.com/DaniBado/status/992406693450518529?s=20

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 07/07/2021 10:38

ScreamingMeMe

A powerful post. Thank you.

I hear you flower and my eyes will never be averted.

May your days be brighter than sunflowers now 🌻

PurpleHoodie · 07/07/2021 14:17

It wasn’t a changing room. It was an area of the spa facilities that was designated as being for women and girls. Nakedness is expected throughout the area. This included a jacuzzi where the man got in beside a nine year old girl

PurpleHoodie · 07/07/2021 14:18

the man got in beside a nine year old girl

Fucking. Hell!

PurpleHoodie · 07/07/2021 14:38

toffeebutterpopcorn

Ah yes - California. What is it about that part of the world?

Brighton and Hove is a mini-me California.

Yorkshire: Am not sure on a comparison yet. It is political pervert/Rape Central (note all the previous threads showcasing government FOI publicly available information on sex-attack based charges and convictions of politicos/rape zones/lobby groups.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2021 14:42

It wasn’t a changing room. It was an area of the spa facilities that was designated as being for women and girls.

When both male and mixed sex areas existed.

PurpleHoodie · 07/07/2021 14:46

Jarnsaxa

I did see one of the ANTIFA posts on twitter that made me giggle.

They were talking about supporting Trans Women Of Colour,nothing wrongwith that of course.

Except rhey'd used the acronym 'TWOC'

That doesn'tmean what they think it means in the UK...

Not so funny was another ANTIFA poster trying to characterise the original woman who complained as an 'aggressive, right wing religious fundamentalist'.

Apparently because s she'd put bible quotes on her twitter in the past.

No mention of the lady being African American for some reason.

This from the same group people who were presumably protesting for BLM just a few weeks ago.

Now fighting for the rights of white men to show their dicks to Little black girls.

TRAs, and Antifa are racist as fuck. We all know this.

They prove it time and time again by their own words and actions.

PurpleHoodie · 07/07/2021 14:59

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IvyTwines2 · 07/07/2021 15:25

That LA Times editorial is a new low, and doubly disturbing if this reflects the mindset of the region that now has the biggest influence, through the reach of its TV and cinema, on global culture, and especially on children and young adults. #MeToo seems a very long way away now, and the backlash is, if anything, worse.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2021 15:27

#MeToo seems a very long way away now, and the backlash is, if anything, worse.

This is what I find most depressing. Shame for Weinstein that he never thought to declare he was a woman, or that others didn't suggest this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2021 15:28

It's awful to see how much of the #Metoo phenomenon was an empty, virtue signalling lie.

Datun · 07/07/2021 15:35

@Ereshkigalangcleg

#MeToo seems a very long way away now, and the backlash is, if anything, worse.

This is what I find most depressing. Shame for Weinstein that he never thought to declare he was a woman, or that others didn't suggest this.

Omg. Why the hell hasn't he?
IvyTwines2 · 07/07/2021 15:37

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It's awful to see how much of the #Metoo phenomenon was an empty, virtue signalling lie.
Yes, looking back one wonders if the reason some women, briefly, were allowed to be heard was just because some men lower down the Hollywood pecking order wanted to cut down a big tree to get more space for themselves.
PurpleHoodie · 07/07/2021 16:05

Delphinium20

Looks like even reporters are minimizing indecent exposure as they put traumatizing in air quotes and their editors put it in the 'social issues' section (apparently crimes against women and children don't deserve the investigations section)

They are not real reporters or journalists.

They are bloggers in a fledgling Internet age.

There are so few REAL journalists left.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 07/07/2021 16:44

From the article - “Never again should progressives be confused with real feminists. When they tell you who they are, believe them.”

Etorih · 07/07/2021 16:45

That article pretty much sums it up MondayYoghurt

OvaHere · 07/07/2021 16:51

Yes, looking back one wonders if the reason some women, briefly, were allowed to be heard was just because some men lower down the Hollywood pecking order wanted to cut down a big tree to get more space for themselves.

It was rumoured that HW was taken down only when other powerful men decided it was time to take him down. That doesn't change what he did but it suggests women were only allowed to have justice at a time when it benefitted other men.

MondayYogurt · 07/07/2021 17:21

Reading all the "lol traumatized" replies here twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1412373600674398210?s=21

I wonder how many of these people would be pleased to receive unsolicited dick pics?

FloralBunting · 07/07/2021 17:32

It is always like this. This is why you don't pay any heed to people who appeal to your female socialization and suggest you tone the feminism down.

You're not trying to persuade men that women are whole people with rights, as though you tacitly accept them as the ones who bestow or remove your rights.

You are speaking to other women, giving them the courage to stand up and demand their basic due - as half the human race. This is not a point of argument. This is not something I need to be nice about or I won't get it. This is fundamental.

That's what courage calls to courage means. You're rallying your fellow women to know that they matter, and that their No is absolute, and no man is in a position to disregard or endorse it.

We do not seek the permission of men to be liberated from the many ways they exploit and control us. When push comes to shove, and it always will, you get up as a woman and you take your rightful place in the world.

You'll watch them NAMALT, and encourage compromise with the 'nicer' men, and tell you that you're an angry man hater, every time you centre women with no regard for a man's opinion.

But you know what? They'll do that anyway, whether you feminism is meek or strident, and the firmer you are, the more women will see it's possible and will join you.

Why do you think FWR has been so relentlessly targetted? Because through intense pressure, the women here have held the line that women matter, and every time another woman hears it, it's more effective.

Don't ask for men's permission or endorsement of your fight for women's rights. It's nothing to do with them.

theThreeofWeevils · 07/07/2021 17:37

Brava, Floral!
Flowers

Etorih · 07/07/2021 17:38

FloralBunting absolutely.

IvyTwines2 · 07/07/2021 17:41

I disagree with the conclusion of that New York Post piece, though: in a very insecure profession, right now, it's probably career death for an actress to stand up alone against this ideology. TV and Movie fandoms are obsessed with it, especially at the younger / fantasy / SF end, and the social media pile ons that would accompany any project they got involved in would scare future employers off.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 07/07/2021 17:43

@FloralBunting 🏅

MoltenLasagne · 07/07/2021 17:59

Don't ask for men's permission or endorsement of your fight for women's rights. It's nothing to do with them.

Floral, if I'd heard this in person I'd give you a standing ovation.

It is so true, so many brave women - Magdalen, Maya, Sonia, JKR, Jess de Wahl, many posters on MN - I hear their words and it makes me braver. It gives me courage to be less placatory to those trying to steamroller over my boundaries, to stand firm and say "No" and demand it is respected.