Pushback at Wi Spa in Los Angeles

[FannyCann]

Well it's all kicking off at the spa. An amazing woman behind the desk standing up for women and telling a man where to take his penis. I fear she will lose her job over this but it's a glorious way to go.

twitter.com/stillgray/status/1408997169344909313?s=21

@DisgustedofManchester

If you cannot find the fact you are looking for, create it.

I think i remember someone doing that in the past

yes, I see this regularly here and else where on social media.

At the moment, we are seeing it very much on the denial of the differences in body types between males and females. It is playing out in sports, and spas apparently.

@MishyJDI

Latest reporting is there has been no police report or investigation requested, and the whole thing seems to have been a set-up to stir up trouble and rage - well that worked for them!

If she has evidence of the crime, she should produce it, or at least make a signed statement to the cops so she can be held accountable if it comes out false. Its quite irresponsible, as people have been hurt on all sides from the violence that followed.

It would be nice to move away from this right wing stuff and back into equality feminism.

www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/

"There is increasing doubt among law enforcement and staff at the Wi Spa whether there was ever was a transgender person there to begin with. Anonymous sources within the LAPD tell the Blade they have been unable to find any corroborating evidence that there was a transgender person present on that day.

Similarly, a source at the Spa told the Blade there’s no record of any of its usual transgender clients on its appointments guest list on the day in question. Treatment at the Spa is by appointment only, and most of its transgender clients are well known to the staff."

How are staff supposed to know that a person is transgender when all they have to do is identify as such? There are no requirements to have surgery, take hormones etc.

And I can just imagine the shrieks of outrage of patrons were required to register as male, female or transgender.

Sorry, @MishyJDI, but your version doesn't wash.

@MishyJDI

Latest reporting is there has been no police report or investigation requested, and the whole thing seems to have been a set-up to stir up trouble and rage - well that worked for them!

If she has evidence of the crime, she should produce it, or at least make a signed statement to the cops so she can be held accountable if it comes out false. Its quite irresponsible, as people have been hurt on all sides from the violence that followed.

It would be nice to move away from this right wing stuff and back into equality feminism.

www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/

"There is increasing doubt among law enforcement and staff at the Wi Spa whether there was ever was a transgender person there to begin with. Anonymous sources within the LAPD tell the Blade they have been unable to find any corroborating evidence that there was a transgender person present on that day.

Similarly, a source at the Spa told the Blade there’s no record of any of its usual transgender clients on its appointments guest list on the day in question. Treatment at the Spa is by appointment only, and most of its transgender clients are well known to the staff."

What are you taking about??

It's hardly news that it wasn't reported to the police, because it's not a crime.

That's the whole point.

In case you're still not clear, that's why we say the crimes of voyeurism and indecent exposure cease to exist. 🙄

Plus, trying to shut down the publicity with schoolboy insults clearly isn't working.

The publicity is huge. Increased by the nasty tactics of tra supporting antifa. Just adding to the newsworthiness.

Honestly. PR really isn't your strong point.

PR
Logic
Truth
Sense

None are Mishy’s strong points

@Deliriumoftheendless

PR Logic Truth Sense

None are Mishy’s strong points

Really. Mishy is like a gender critical not-very-secret weapon. And I don't say that about many.

Obviously got the short straw(man?)

Oh pick a bloody narrative ffs.

Either it didn't happen because it's so outrageous that a male would be allowed to be naked next to a child

or

There is nothing wrong with naked males in front of women and children and anyone who doesn't like it is a bigot who should look away.

Jesus. The fecking idiocy of the TRA movement might be the most offensive thing about it, were it not for the open noncery.

@MishyJDI

Latest reporting is there has been no police report or investigation requested, and the whole thing seems to have been a set-up to stir up trouble and rage - well that worked for them!

If she has evidence of the crime, she should produce it, or at least make a signed statement to the cops so she can be held accountable if it comes out false. Its quite irresponsible, as people have been hurt on all sides from the violence that followed.

It would be nice to move away from this right wing stuff and back into equality feminism.

www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/

"There is increasing doubt among law enforcement and staff at the Wi Spa whether there was ever was a transgender person there to begin with. Anonymous sources within the LAPD tell the Blade they have been unable to find any corroborating evidence that there was a transgender person present on that day.

Similarly, a source at the Spa told the Blade there’s no record of any of its usual transgender clients on its appointments guest list on the day in question. Treatment at the Spa is by appointment only, and most of its transgender clients are well known to the staff."

So it was just a plain old man, then.

@FloralBunting

Oh pick a bloody narrative ffs.

Either it didn't happen because it's so outrageous that a male would be allowed to be naked next to a child

or

There is nothing wrong with naked males in front of women and children and anyone who doesn't like it is a bigot who should look away.

Jesus. The fecking idiocy of the TRA movement might be the most offensive thing about it, were it not for the open noncery.

I honestly have far more respect for the "nothing wrong with seeing a naked penis" types. Even though I vehemently disagree with them. At least they are being honest and consistent with the ideology they support.

@Deliriumoftheendless

PR Logic Truth Sense

None are Mishy’s strong points

Including answering the question about safeguarding that never seems to get answered...

Calling it a set up makes no sense. The lobby area was crowded with a lot of young women and girls, not just the black woman who made the video but also the woman who was demanding a refund.

Are they all lying? Every woman and child who was in the female area?

What would have happened if a member of staff went to check? Which is what should have happened when the women complained.

All this demanding extra proof and the assumption they must be lying despite numerous women saying this is what happened sounds a lot like a Sharia court set up.

As for no police report. What incentive is there to report when California has made voyeurism and indecent exposure legal and any woman that tries to report is treated like this?

4w.pub/exclusive-interview-with-wi-spa-mother/

Linda says her upset over the incident led her to a local LAPD precinct, where she attempted to file a complaint about what had happened. But rather than being of any assistance, the LAPD attempted to put the blame on her as a mother.

“This [officer] came out of the back room to talk to me and after listening to my story said ‘why would you bring your daughter to a spa like that in the first place? Why did you put her in that situation?’ And that was just horrible. I felt like I had just been punched in the stomach and I started crying again trying to explain that it’s a Korean Spa and it’s normal in that culture.”

Linda says she left the police station dejected, “I just felt shame and I just figured there was absolutely nothing I could do. Like I had no legal rights. So, I just tried to forget about it. Shortly after, the pandemic and lockdown hit and I really didn't think about it again until that viral video came out this past week.”

Claiming events are false flag ops does several things.

It makes people run around wasting time trying to prove reality, and trying to convince the claimer that they're wrong. All they then have to do is shake their head and deny that evidence is valid. Cue more time wasting, all the while boosting the profile of the lie.

It sows doubt. It muddies the waters. People prefer things to be easy. Ignoring and denying are easy. It gives them an out.

It also makes the opposing group seem organised, because to be able to pull off this supposed deception requires planning, and manpower. So it creates an idea that there's a shadowy movement plotting in the background, even when the reality is just one woman with a phone, who won't weesht.

You're right.

All this demanding extra proof and the assumption they must be lying despite numerous women saying this is what happened sounds a lot like a Sharia court set up.

Yes except in Sharia Court the testimony of two women is believed - here we have numerous female witnesses but they're all assumed to be lying.

The world has gone mad. How can you change sex, seriously how? I feel I'm the only person who just cannot understand it. You can pretend to be the opposite sex, that's fine, but to be told you have to accept a man is a woman (or vice versa) because he says so? Come on!!

I have been reading about this on twitter today and its infuriated me. Sources at the LAPD claim there was no complaint - right, that's it, those awful GC feminists are lying and made it all up, look how disgusting they are, a right ring, fundamentalist Christian campaign of lies.....

And all someone has to do to is point out that you cannot report something to the police that is perfectly legal. Why can't they explain or defend that?

It's perfectly legal for a fully intact male to go to a spa and wander about the women's section. Why can't they defend that?

And its never ending. Why can't we just get some grown ups in a room to make some sensible safeguarding guidelines?

Claiming events are false flag ops does several things.

Yes, to all your good points.

It also completely distracts from the issue at hand and that the question is simply left hanging. Not one poster who seeks to distract, dismiss and twist seems to be able to answer it when directly asked.

Well, @MishyJDI , we have 58 posts left for your well thought out answer to the safeguarding question asked directly of you. It has been asked across two or three of the threads relating to the spa incident so far and NOT ONE answer from those persisting in dismissing the incident or deploying ad hominem tactics to discredit the two women who have highlighted the two incidents.

I can repeat it if needed.

"Sources at the LAPD", quoth the twitter mob, merrily tweeting away with #ACAB in their profiles. 🙄
Funny how the police are useful when you want to discredit women's lived reality, isn't it.

All this mirrors how trans widows are gaslit.

It’s basically certain posters popping up on a FEMINIST board and recycling the misogynistic trope that:
Women lie.
Women aren’t to be believed.
Women can’t be trusted.

That stating those things here seems ok shows how deeply the misogyny of some posters runs.

That stating those things here seems ok shows how deeply the misogyny of some posters runs.

And that gender identity does not diminish misogynistic thinking or actions at all. It most certainly does not magic misogyny away and may even amplify it in some cases.

@Deliriumoftheendless

It’s basically certain posters popping up on a FEMINIST board and recycling the misogynistic trope that: Women lie. Women aren’t to be believed. Women can’t be trusted.

That stating those things here seems ok shows how deeply the misogyny of some posters runs.

and men who say they are women are absolutely to be trusted and can strip naked and share a hot tub in a commercial premises with naked 9 and 6 year old girls.

Men who claim to be women would never lie.

@Deliriumoftheendless

It’s basically certain posters popping up on a FEMINIST board and recycling the misogynistic trope that: Women lie. Women aren’t to be believed. Women can’t be trusted.

That stating those things here seems ok shows how deeply the misogyny of some posters runs.

Yes, I wonder if they realise quite how predictable they are.

That the way they express their misogyny is so unutterably common, it's cliched.

The Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

"The Narcissist's Prayer (author unknown) beautifully illustrates the inner workings of the narcissistic mind. Denial, gaslighting, minimising poor behaviour, blameshifting and shamedumping all feature in this one simple verse, all hallmarks of covert emotional abuse. To a narcissist the 'truth' is not seen as a finite, fixed entity, but as being malleable - as being whatever the narcissist says it is, at the time they say it. The truth is simply whatever serves the narcissist at that particular time."

(Text courtesy of [this site](laughingatnarcs.com/narcissists-prayer/) which just popped up as the first search result for the verse).

@MishyJDI

Latest reporting is there has been no police report or investigation requested, and the whole thing seems to have been a set-up to stir up trouble and rage - well that worked for them!

If she has evidence of the crime, she should produce it, or at least make a signed statement to the cops so she can be held accountable if it comes out false. Its quite irresponsible, as people have been hurt on all sides from the violence that followed.

It would be nice to move away from this right wing stuff and back into equality feminism.

www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/

"There is increasing doubt among law enforcement and staff at the Wi Spa whether there was ever was a transgender person there to begin with. Anonymous sources within the LAPD tell the Blade they have been unable to find any corroborating evidence that there was a transgender person present on that day.

Similarly, a source at the Spa told the Blade there’s no record of any of its usual transgender clients on its appointments guest list on the day in question. Treatment at the Spa is by appointment only, and most of its transgender clients are well known to the staff."

Hang on.... So it is unacceptable for a male to have his dick out in a female only space? It's such an outrageous thing to happen that people would have to make it up?

But... I thought dicks out in the female space was fine and that you just weren't supposed to stare? So why would this be made up?