AIBU Any energy for more?

[Langrycleg]

After the demise of no 4 thread, does anyone think it’s worth reviving or should we rephrase the question? 96%- 4% at the end I think.

[JoodyBlue]

Here's thread one www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4148030-AIBU-to-think-women-should-not-be-banned-from-Social-media-for-asking-the-question

[JoodyBlue]

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4148800-AIBU-to-think-women-should-not-be-banned-from-Social-media-for-asking-the-question-Thread-2

[JoodyBlue]

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4150786-AIBU-to-think-women-should-not-be-banned-from-Social-media-for-asking-the-question-Thread-3

[JoodyBlue]

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4153051-That-women-should-not-be-banned-from-Social-Media-for-asking-the-question-Thread-4

[JoodyBlue]

Also perhaps we could keep an eye on Glinner's thread there. There was just a snidey post in his direction.

[gardenbird48]

@JoodyBlue

Also perhaps we could keep an eye on Glinner's thread there. There was just a snidey post in his direction.

Yes I’ve seen a couple of posters who have an issue with glinner- they haven’t bothered to answer the question

[TalkingtoLangClegintheDark]

So Stonewall et al have the ear of the government and countless public institutions and are actually paid to disseminate their misinformation in workplaces, schools and universities - with all their misrepresentations of the law and of statistics - and we, who have no funding at all, and are really struggling to make ourselves heard, even have threads deleted in AIBU, which is one of the very few ways we have of bringing this whole issue to the attention of women who simply have no idea what is going on.

It’s so imbalanced it’s ludicrous.

[TalkingtoLangClegintheDark]

@IWillSqueakAgain

I never expected it wouldn’t be like this.

I didn’t anticipate the trans part. But I never had any illusion women had rights or that I was safe. Men rail roading us again and again seems standard to me.

I don’t think I have a point I’m afraid (too tired sorry) but I just don’t find this surprising and I think I find it surprising how many women are so shocked at this.

But once it’s seen it can’t be unseen. And that’s something at least.

You were more tuned in than I was. I had never really grasped how precarious and fragile our rights were, although now I think about how very, very recent they are in the context of human history, it kind of makes more sense.

You’re right about once seen, can’t be unseen.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Cakehole. Breadgrave. Sconecasket.

I give up.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Its NBU to post these threads in AIBU, they are often issues which revolve around the question of who is being U.

[JoodyBlue]

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

So Stonewall et al have the ear of the government and countless public institutions and are actually paid to disseminate their misinformation in workplaces, schools and universities - with all their misrepresentations of the law and of statistics - and we, who have no funding at all, and are really struggling to make ourselves heard, even have threads deleted in AIBU, which is one of the very few ways we have of bringing this whole issue to the attention of women who simply have no idea what is going on.

It’s so imbalanced it’s ludicrous.

that is the case isn't it? flip me..... but then I guess women's rights have always been David and Goliath fights. I was labouring under the assumption that women had got somewhere. Backlash has come. I really didn't think it would take this form. Using women's "kindness" against us. Genius really.

[Idratherberude]

96%! Well done to all who contributed.
Did that frequent poster change her stance?

[JoodyBlue]

@Idratherberude

96%! Well done to all who contributed.
Did that frequent poster change her stance?

Yes there were several posters over the four threads who said, "I am thinking differently now" or "that's food for thought" or "I have learned a lot" and many "I didn't realise" es

[Biscuitsanddoombar]

Why do people ask if men are allowed to want single sex spaces or male HCP like it’s some kind of gotcha to which all us mean old man hating feminists will say “no of course they can’t!”

[Winesalot]

@Idratherberude

96%! Well done to all who contributed.
Did that frequent poster change her stance?

If by 'frequent poster' you mean the troll as now identified by MNHQ? No. I believe they probably did not have the stamina to keep it up for another thread. I believe they had been trying to play the 'reasonable' game, but seems to underestimate just how intuitive so many of the women on MN were.

I don't believe many reading could not see the misogyny of that poster. The truly superficial approach they were proposing.

Some of the newer posters simply did not care about the ban hammer and it made that poster irate and it all came out. Titties and flaps and waving vaginas in faces and all. To be honest, saying 'waving vaginas in faces' makes me even wonder if the poster was even female. It did really come across as incel speak.

[Winesalot]

@Biscuitsanddoombar

Why do people ask if men are allowed to want single sex spaces or male HCP like it’s some kind of gotcha to which all us mean old man hating feminists will say “no of course they can’t!”

projection of their lack of critical thinking capacity?

[Rockinmomma]

I’m pretty new to all this info it was the first AIBU thread that caught my eye and I’d like to thank @Datun because your posts are fucking amazing!
I’ve always been a radical feminist having been assaulted, raped and sodomised (porn addict ex)
I’ve always had controversial views on men and there’s where my furious anger lies... toxic masculinity. I’m fully accepting of a man dressing more feminine because I do believe clothes are for everyone, make up is for everyone. Men need to stop calling other men gay for wanting to, men need to accept ALL men
The stereotypes quite frankly piss me off. I’ve ventured onto Reddit to the Trans sub and all I see are young men wearing skirts, flowery dress, full face make up and saying ‘I feel pretty/cute’ You can be those things and be a man!
The bigger picture is male violence and the never ending effect on women and children

[Idratherberude]

Ah bollocks @Winesalot I didn't keep up, didn't know it was a sealion troll.
I saw him saying some stuff which I didn't agree with but it was moving on very quickly so I left. I suppose the most important thing is the thread is still there with all of the information.

[gardenbird48]

A certain ‘friend’ of fwr is really cross - she’s calling for all advertisers on Mumsnet to pull out 😬

[Winesalot]

@gardenbird48

A certain ‘friend’ of fwr is really cross - she’s calling for all advertisers on Mumsnet to pull out 😬

again?????

[Whatsnewpussyhat]

A certain ‘friend’ of fwr is really cross - she’s calling for all advertisers on Mumsnet to pull out

They are so fucking desperate to silence women.

[TalkingtoLangClegintheDark]

Titties and flaps and waving vaginas in faces and all. To be honest, saying 'waving vaginas in faces' makes me even wonder if the poster was even female.

I can’t say I’ve ever come across a woman speaking about her own and other women’s bodies quite like that. It was extraordinary. The rage! The contempt! The disgust!

[Sulkywoman]

I think someone from mnhq said it was a troll and I think said was male. I don’t know of any woman who would speak like that. There were various posters who put up the threads but it was the last one that was taken down. It was good while it lasted and enabled many to observe the woman hating that goes on. I am glad the first four threads are still there as there have been many comments from newish women recounting their experiences. Did anyone archive no 5 at all?

[picklemewalnuts]

Does someone know who Langrycleg is, and have checked if she's ok? Without scrolling back I can't check, did she get banned?

[Redshoeblueshoe]

It is happening in women's sports. My local women's football team played against a team with a transwoman on. The women at the moment are at the "be nice" stage. But if they start coming up against teams with several TW I think they will just drop out. Then we will have men's football, and tw football. My MP spouts women should just try harder.