Trans chat

[Babyjakesmum]

I haven't been on Mumsnet in a while, but have dropped back in to see what was going on when I heard about the sponsors dropping Mumsnet because of anti-trans hate. I expected it to be a storm in a tea cup.

But sadly, I have to say that I find the level of bitter hatred on here to be utterly breathtaking. I have trans people in my family. I have friends who have trans people, and the way they are being discussed here is simply appalling.

Being trans isn't something anyone takes lightly, or lives lightly either. It's is not mental illness, it is not an excuse to abuse children, it is not a passing fad. It is bloody hard on those who find themselves in that situation, and this sort of hate-fest of ignorance and accusation only makes their lives even harder.

I used to come on here to talk about my babies and life as a Mum, and it was supportive and safe space for me to talk openly about my feelings and experiences. It no longer feels safe for anyone. I don't think I will be coming back to be a regular again. I cannot comprehend what has become of the people on here for this level of narrow mindedness to be flourishing.

Make no mistake, I am an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born. I understand the feminist anti-trans arguments but I find all of it to be empty of any basis in reality. Trans people aren't lurking in changing rooms, trans people aren't after your kids or trying to undermine your own femininity. They are having a very hard time in life.

I know you can cite a handful of examples, but then there are always a handful of example of anything. One Karen White does not mean you write off all trans-people as criminals.

I would say to you to get to know an actual transperson and see what the reality is, except that I wouldn't want any vulnerable person subjected to this.... you also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that because it's actually none of your business what clothes or pronouns someone chooses to use.

You should sue *

They have made you an emotional wreck and I’m being LITERALLY erased

I’m feeling very litigious tonight

(MNHQ are very safe though...i may be litigious but i am also very very lazy)

I remember a reply to MN's official account on twitter - "if you cared about trans rights you would delete your whole site"

There really is no use in trying to compromise with people who approach life that way. So I'm not sure why some people keep trying.

bernard

I think my ipad LITERALLY erased bernard

I'm sitting here, all puzzled, wondering what to post that isn't a derail.

I KNOW!

A picture of a struggle session, because OP seemed to want us to be sorry for our non-compliance to the wokeing class.

This is what a struggle session looks like, should anyone want to do one.

We said this when the new trans mod guidelines were introduced - nothing but complete capitulation and deletion of any and all trans discussion (and probably the whole of the fwr board) will placate the likes of mimmymum.

And it wouldn't end there - then any mention of say, "breastfeeding" - probably any mention of "women" when it has anything to do with pregnancy/childbirth - will have to go too.

The cultural revolution is possibly the most accurate analogy with what's happening here.

When I read Wild Swans, back in the 90s, I used to wonder how it could happen. Now I know.

So basically all that will be allowed to stand in the end is the parking threads.

zebras excellent book

And I completely agree, if i had a £ for everytime i thought ‘god its starting to sound like maos china’ i would be able to buy a very expensive whisky

It is an amazing book - we are fools when we don't learn from history. I can't remember who said it, but "history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes".

So basically all that will be allowed to stand in the end is the parking threads.

With only the right kind of women, all out vying each other to prove how womanly they are by their ‘totes total inability to park’ and ‘parallel park, ooo no, that’s for men’s only’ titter titter tee hee simper.

plus my laptop doesn't have a caps lock button so all that upper case typing was exhausting

See, you can talk about women with penises all the live long day, but this is truly unbelievable.

I'm awesome at parking, I'm a hardcore heavy metal parker.

have been strongly warned that comedic relief can be considered inflammatory on FWR

I’m not surprised. The coalition of The woke have evidenced many qualities, but a sense of humour and capacity for wit are none of them.

Strict conformity and repression cannot coexist with humour. Having a sense of humour involves being able to spot inconsistencies and call out pomposity.

Having a sense of humour involves being able to spot inconsistencies and call out pomposity.

Literal violence.

Woko haram are desperately po faced. What happened to enjoying life?

If you accidentally have fun presumably you're meant to do some sort of penance.

Is it like Python, and the monks walking along whacking themselves in the head?

Loving Woko Haram.

It makes me think of that Mitchell and Webb sketch - 'are we the baddies?'

if you're on the side of desperately trying to squash down irreverence, wit and absurdity, if seeing those things makes you wish to have them expunged from the internet, you need to have a very good think about why you're behaving that way.

at best it means you're dull. at worst, you might be a baddie

Dull people generally think they're hilarious......oh....fuck.

uh oh

Well, TRAs seem to think that threats are funny, so...

The young woke are very good at gifs. They have a gif for every occasion.

Also very good at mocking up memes threatening violence to women - they excel at those.

Many of them seem to enjoy posing with baseball bats and swords. Young males, mainly, unsurprisingly.

Don't forget the guns! Very popular with woke gendered Americans.