Trans chat

[Babyjakesmum]

I haven't been on Mumsnet in a while, but have dropped back in to see what was going on when I heard about the sponsors dropping Mumsnet because of anti-trans hate. I expected it to be a storm in a tea cup.

But sadly, I have to say that I find the level of bitter hatred on here to be utterly breathtaking. I have trans people in my family. I have friends who have trans people, and the way they are being discussed here is simply appalling.

Being trans isn't something anyone takes lightly, or lives lightly either. It's is not mental illness, it is not an excuse to abuse children, it is not a passing fad. It is bloody hard on those who find themselves in that situation, and this sort of hate-fest of ignorance and accusation only makes their lives even harder.

I used to come on here to talk about my babies and life as a Mum, and it was supportive and safe space for me to talk openly about my feelings and experiences. It no longer feels safe for anyone. I don't think I will be coming back to be a regular again. I cannot comprehend what has become of the people on here for this level of narrow mindedness to be flourishing.

Make no mistake, I am an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born. I understand the feminist anti-trans arguments but I find all of it to be empty of any basis in reality. Trans people aren't lurking in changing rooms, trans people aren't after your kids or trying to undermine your own femininity. They are having a very hard time in life.

I know you can cite a handful of examples, but then there are always a handful of example of anything. One Karen White does not mean you write off all trans-people as criminals.

I would say to you to get to know an actual transperson and see what the reality is, except that I wouldn't want any vulnerable person subjected to this.... you also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that because it's actually none of your business what clothes or pronouns someone chooses to use.

This threads 10 months old, you're a bit late hmm

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I know this is an old thread that has strangely resurfaced today, but I also know Baby (OP) has resurfaced and is posting elsewhere today (coink-ly-dink, right?) so just to ponder:

I would say to you to get to know an actual transperson and see what the reality is, except that I wouldn't want any vulnerable person subjected to this.... you also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that because it's actually none of your business what clothes or pronouns someone chooses to use

So Baby is advising me (and you) to get to know an ACTUAL trans person. Not a fake one an actual one. Ok, how about my ACTUAL sibling, a transperson these ten years. Or how about my ACTUAL neighbor?

Baby goes on to say " except that I wouldn't want any vulnerable person subjected to this...."

What are you saying exactly? Am I a danger to my sibling? No the trans people in my life do not wear badges (?) and it is very much my business as they are family and what are you talking about? You are sounding very aggressive, I feel. Dial it back a bit. Although as we all know this was a dead thread that was miraculously resuscictated on the very day you started posting again, after 2 posts in May

Lots of question marks here, but why don't you say what you really think?

trying to undermine your own femininity

Lol

Someone who calls themselves a “Hard bitten” feminist who thinks feminism is about “femininity”.

Here’s the deal. Femininity is Sexist garbage imposed on women. It should BE DESTROYED. Instead we are meant to “center” feminine male people as “the ultimate women”

No. Women are adult human females, nothing more and nothing less.

@Datun

This threads 10 months old, you're a bit late hmm

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Not to mention that this person I'm sure could find "transphobia" in the clouds in the sky.

you also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that

It's very persistant, this idea that we can't tell, isn't it ?

@StrangeLookingParasite

you also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that

It's very persistant, this idea that we can't tell, isn't it ?

It's also another logic fail. If it's impossible to tell if someone is trans, how come they are subjected to more discrimination than anyone else?

Andrew Doyle (couldn't find this posted elsewhere):

www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/02/its-time-to-derail-the-pride-train/

'If we’re serious about gay equality, it’s time to jettison this self-satirising and self-indulgent brand of identity politics and focus on our common humanity. And we should start by derailing that fucking train.'

@Skyliner001

I've enjoyed reporting all transphobic posts here 😊

Wow you know how to hve a rocking Friday night!

lionheat, thanks for posting that article. It is very honest and sensible.