Trans chat

[Babyjakesmum]

I haven't been on Mumsnet in a while, but have dropped back in to see what was going on when I heard about the sponsors dropping Mumsnet because of anti-trans hate. I expected it to be a storm in a tea cup.

But sadly, I have to say that I find the level of bitter hatred on here to be utterly breathtaking. I have trans people in my family. I have friends who have trans people, and the way they are being discussed here is simply appalling.

Being trans isn't something anyone takes lightly, or lives lightly either. It's is not mental illness, it is not an excuse to abuse children, it is not a passing fad. It is bloody hard on those who find themselves in that situation, and this sort of hate-fest of ignorance and accusation only makes their lives even harder.

I used to come on here to talk about my babies and life as a Mum, and it was supportive and safe space for me to talk openly about my feelings and experiences. It no longer feels safe for anyone. I don't think I will be coming back to be a regular again. I cannot comprehend what has become of the people on here for this level of narrow mindedness to be flourishing.

Make no mistake, I am an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born. I understand the feminist anti-trans arguments but I find all of it to be empty of any basis in reality. Trans people aren't lurking in changing rooms, trans people aren't after your kids or trying to undermine your own femininity. They are having a very hard time in life.

I know you can cite a handful of examples, but then there are always a handful of example of anything. One Karen White does not mean you write off all trans-people as criminals.

I would say to you to get to know an actual transperson and see what the reality is, except that I wouldn't want any vulnerable person subjected to this.... you also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that because it's actually none of your business what clothes or pronouns someone chooses to use.

AFAIK they are deleting anything on FWR that could be considered inflammatory.

How is

‘Ikea is trying to kill me’

Inflammatory?

(I know you dont know champagne )

The thing is, if we are not allowed any comedic relief we will then be left with the facts. None of us are enjoying the facts! We are not enjoying these in Thighland either, so we jump in and try to lighten the load a little! In our world we just want to support each other and be happy without judgement! If we feel sure a thread has already died it's natural death we will come in and that's all that's happened here!

I have been strongly warned that comedic relief can be considered inflammatory on FWR. (Ikea is a terrible place to navigate, that's true though)

I love you Thighs - and lets have equal opportunities for all please - the Thighs intervene all over mumsnet, why should fwr be missed out. Discrimination

have been strongly warned that comedic relief can be considered inflammatory on FWR

Just ridiculous...

To clarify, if it's about trans issues. I don't know what the stance is about other topics on FWR.

I also wonder if one of the said stunning and brave has got a job here.

Or a certain Niece has her job back.

How would one re-rail a thread like this? By agreeing with the OP that we're all terrible people?

AFAIK they are deleting anything on FWR that could be considered inflammatory.

I had a post deleted today and I'm fucking lovely.

I was deleted for being subversively witty. I set people aflame with laughter. It's a curse.

Sad. I can't think of anything more British than taking the piss.

I mean obviously we can't pisstake minority groups - but a bit of organ-harvesting of mumsnetters by the Thighs isn't beyond the pale is it? I mean don't want my organs harvested obviously, but some MNetters don't seem to mind

Taking the mick, and joking are pretty much all i do

Wait and fucking minute

MNHQ are LITERALLY trying to erase me!!

I might sue

And I don’t take the piss of minority groups

Just life...and life fucking well deserves it !

I didn't mean in a bucket, btw. Not trying to give the apparently very naughty Thighs any ideas.

I really would like to know what MNHQ are expecting people to do with this thread. OPs premise is, you're all horrible. Attempts to offer advice have been met with hostility. So how does one respond in a way that's not seen as derailing?

Exactly Rufus.

I don't take the piss out of minority groups. I'm quite free with my scorn for privileged men, though. Quite a novel stance for a feminist, apparently.

Sad. I can't think of anything more British than taking the piss.

Destroying your own site's USP for an insatiable monster. Yes, sad.

I stayed on topic and wrote about how posts like the OPs make me feel

my post was deleted

it kind of feels like MNHQ are setting up a situation where long running, good faith posters can't win

I guess only people who hate FWR are allowed to have feelings, Bernard.

I remember a reply to MN's official account on twitter - "if you cared about trans rights you would delete your whole site"
So to someone like that, no level of moderation would be good enough.

that's the last time I get in touch with my feelings

it's stuff upper lip from here on in

SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE MNHQ? I'M AN EMOTIONAL CRIPPLE NOW

plus my laptop doesn't have a caps lock button so all that upper case typing was exhausting

that's it. I'm flouncing off to bed.

We could build a site called Fannies and Thighs. Just sayin' don't report me!

But we wouldn't let any tits join.