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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ruth Hunt is leaving Stonewall

411 replies

Whatisthisfuckery · 21/02/2019 16:21

Just seen this on Twitter.

twitter.com/ruth_hunt/status/1098604129394585601?s=21

I’d like to think her successor will be less homophobic. We shall see, although I’m not holding out much hope.

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Verv · 22/02/2019 09:36

medium.com/@JonnnyBest/whats-gone-wrong-with-stonewall-1be30cffba9f

This is a really sensible article imo and reflects my opinion.

Trousering · 22/02/2019 09:46

I would question Johnny's assertion that trans is not a sexual orientation. Gay men that are influenced culturally into believing the are too effeminate to be men so there must be a straight woman, yes, it's pretty clear cut that trans is not orientation.
I've read about utogyneaphilia being described as a sexual orientation. A sexual attraction to yourself as the opposite sex.

I'm finding this to be an interesting perspective. On the one hand AGP is denied strenuously, on the other hand people are happily out about their AGP.

Jonny and stonewall need to acknowledge this aspect of trans because this is a fundamental point and the source of most of the push back coming from women.

StupidyTower · 22/02/2019 10:07

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All I can say is that I have heard that other women (less well known) are leaving, too, and that it's not an easy place to work at (who would have thought).

Verv · 22/02/2019 10:27

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CallMeSirShotsFired · 22/02/2019 10:28

Christ, can you imagine having to go into work every day and be faced with a wall of woman-hatred like that?

It must be horrific.

Trousering · 22/02/2019 10:41

I am not saying that autogyneaphilia makes men lesbians so we are not disagreeing. I think that is profoundly abusive to women

Autogyneaphilia is sexual attraction to the self imagined as becoming the opposite sex.

I have read that men who are AGP can eventually become same sex attracted) to men) as a result of transing into the woman that they love, as this is part of the orientation., (obviously I know they are still men hence me duscribing this as same sex.
Men will never be lesbians. I'm surprised we even have to say something as stupid but hey never underestimate how stupid the world can be sometimes m

This is all stuff I learned from reading Blanchard, Bailey, Alice Kruger and Anne Lawrence.

Lamaha · 22/02/2019 10:51

Oops --- i see the article has already been posted.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 22/02/2019 13:54

That's a great article. Thanks for sharing the link.

Muddysnowdrop · 22/02/2019 14:12

That article is great. It also explains why I still have an impression of Stonewall as being a decent group - it’s because my dealings with them were pre-2012. Love the sex stereotype idea - it’s not new as that is simply what gender is about, but we’ve all got used to saying gender now when that’s not what we mean!

Mumfun · 22/02/2019 18:06

Ruth Hunt is totally focussed on money and power. She will be going somewhere where she gets more of both I'm sure she jumped rather than was pushed. She is bright so will be looking for a challenge so dont think it will be a charity. And dont think most of them would pay her enough. I wouldnt be surprised by a corporate role in the city as she has lately had lots of contacts with woke attempting companies and she might be useful to them in promoting their wokeness.

CallMeSirShotsFired · 22/02/2019 18:51

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youllhavehadyourtea · 22/02/2019 19:39

the BBC?

Amnesty?

ChattyLion · 22/02/2019 20:59

I’m interested to know how the slogans are going to evolve with someone new in charge...

Penises without Exception?
Acceptance without Safeguarding?

WeRiseUp · 22/02/2019 21:05

Penetration without resistance?

CallMeSirShotsFired · 22/02/2019 21:06

the BBC? Amnesty?

They just don't seem "shouty" enough for her. They're just kind of quietly, bovinely, getting on with the daily business of woman hating - not making a song and dance about it, IYKWIM?

WeRiseUp · 22/02/2019 21:06

or

Penises Penises Penises

NottonightJosepheen · 22/02/2019 21:11

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 22/02/2019 21:12

Allies or Abschaum!
Trans rights are Human Reich!

NottonightJosepheen · 22/02/2019 21:13

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Verv · 22/02/2019 21:41

The world is becoming increasingly stupid imo, trousering.
Cant remember the rest of our conversation as it would appear that whatever I've said has been considered to be in violations of guidelines which have no bearing to anything I have posted.

HawayMan · 22/02/2019 21:42

I would love it if Stonewall's next CEO was a straight white man. It would peak trans a lot of people!

Having a natal lesbian as their CEO gave Stonewall credit that they don't deserve. They are no friend to gay people.

TimeLady · 23/02/2019 08:02

Article by Janice Turner in The Times included this intriguing phrase

with its lesbian CEO Ruth Hunt resigning this week reportedly in some despair

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/male-bodies-dont-belong-in-womenssport-n5ghggrpk?shareToken=fcb08a516ee7de09af16f9ba57898121

So.…. if that's true, who has really been calling the shots at Stonewall? Or is she just in despair that her ill-conceived plan has gone tits up?

OvaHere · 23/02/2019 09:04

Great article by Janice as always.

Courday · 23/02/2019 09:17

Excellent article by Janice.
Sounds like we need to hear more about Ruth Hunt's reasons for leaving Stonewall. I hope she goes public.