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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ruth Hunt is leaving Stonewall

411 replies

Whatisthisfuckery · 21/02/2019 16:21

Just seen this on Twitter.

twitter.com/ruth_hunt/status/1098604129394585601?s=21

I’d like to think her successor will be less homophobic. We shall see, although I’m not holding out much hope.

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2rebecca · 23/02/2019 09:47

The Scotsman today has an article on this as well. They didn't say which journalist wrote it. They started writing about the number of women in the breakaway MP group and moved on to how damaging Ruth Hunt's Stonewall policies had been for women and girls

TimeLady · 23/02/2019 10:24

Scotsman link here

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/women-lead-fight-against-brosocialists-and-other-extremists-susan-dalgety-1-4877904

That's an excellent article, 2rebecca. Thanks

EatCashews · 23/02/2019 10:29

A penny for your thoughts, Ruth.

She is only 38, and has a good chunk of her working life ahead of her. Heck, without wanting to speculate, she could, in theory, decide to have three children now and settle down somewhere in the home counties.

But if she wasn't the ideologue-in-chief at Stonewall, who was?

To me she will always remain the woman who said live on Radio 4 (if I remember correctly) that there are no such things as sex-based rights. I do hope people will continue to ask her about that.

Muddysnowdrop · 23/02/2019 10:38

I love this phrasing by Susan Dalgety in the Scotsman - campaigning for the rights of those people who identify as a different gender stereotype to their sex
I think bringing back the word stereotype whenever we see gender is a good step towards reality.

youllhavehadyourtea · 23/02/2019 10:39

Wow, that's a strong article in the Scotsman by Susan Dalgety - no punches pulled in the second half.

TimeLady · 23/02/2019 10:48

I agree, EatCashews

So who has been pulling Ruth's strings?

Popchyk · 23/02/2019 10:50

I think she totally underestimated what a poisoned chalice taking on the T would be for Stonewall.

I think she saw it as a box to tick, the funding would flow, and the whole T issue would settle down as a minority issue for the very few meek and kindly people who have genital surgery.

Hunt did not do her research.

So she ticked the box, the funding came in, and then she had to deal with the T who she had let into the tent. Who stampeded in in great numbers and included fetishists, transvestites, minor attracted people and people with personality disorders. The T thought they owned the tent (most of the funding is for the T now) so the dozens of members on the Trans Advisory Board become more and more strident in their demands and Stonewall was forced into the position that they are in today. Which is that same-sex attraction is transphobic. And therefore wrong.

Stonewall should have said no to the T from the start. It is not a sexual orientation and therefore they should have never have included it in Stonewall. Worse, transgender ideology is actively homophobic.

That's where greed and not doing your homework gets you, Ruth. These people played you like a fiddle.

HamiltonCork · 23/02/2019 10:53

I have absolutely zero sympathy for Ruth - her personal greed and laziness has destroyed women’s rights.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 23/02/2019 10:53

These people played you like a fiddle.

And you've been too spineless to stand up to it.

Muddysnowdrop · 23/02/2019 10:55

I’d like to know more about this “reportedly in some despair” idea before absolving RH for too much of the shitstorm she created.

2rebecca · 23/02/2019 10:56

Thanks for finding it. I read the paper copy at breakfast in a hotel and couldn't find the journalists name anywhere but was really impressed with the article.

TimeLady · 23/02/2019 10:58

That's where greed and not doing your homework gets you, Ruth. These people played you like a fiddle

Back in 2016, she certainly seemed committed to the cause

So far, my proudest achievement is that Stonewall became trans-inclusive in 2015, after a six-month consultation with more than 700 trans people. Being able to call Stonewall an LGBT organisation for the first time was a milestone moment for me. However, the real achievement is the progress that we and the trans community have made together since that point.

www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2016/15-april/features/interviews/interview-ruth-hunt-chief-executive-stonewall

and that radio interview last year was a disgrace.

I'm not prepared to let her get away with claiming to be 'naïve' in retrospect. She's really really not that dumb. And if she is, she shouldn't be rewarded with another cosy CEO job elsewhere.

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 23/02/2019 11:08

Trans rights might be deprioritised; so they’ve had to trust me to not do that.

This quote from that interview, talking about what she's done with making Stonewall a trans charity, is telling, don't you think? She basically ssid, "I'll put you in the charity's remit, but don't worry, you won't just be a part of a bigger picture of equality and fairness - you can trust me to put you front and centre. It's all about you now."

Popchyk · 23/02/2019 11:17

Hunt thought she was playing them, Floral.

Cringe.

EatCashews · 23/02/2019 11:19

So she left before she became 'damaged goods' in a way that would seriously hinder her career prospects? Most people in the UK still haven't looked at this issue in depth.

If she's a smart woman, that's a smart move.

Courday · 23/02/2019 11:21

Excellent article in the Scotsman.
"But Ms Hunt led a campaign that insists that gender stereotypes – these false constructs – matter more than sex. At its most basic, she argues that if a man decides he is a lesbian, but proudly keeps his penis, then he is still a lesbian. Not surprisingly, many lesbian women objected to this sudden intrusion of male members into their sex life. Their concerns were dismissed as “transphobic”."

Imagine having that on your conscious for the rest of your life?
What damage has this rhetoric had on young (and older) lesbians?

LangCleg · 23/02/2019 11:37

Why are we assuming that Ruth has any regrets?

I'm sure she's very happy with her tenure at Stonewall and is very much looking forward to the next stop on the nepotistic third sector roundabout, and to wreaking as much havoc in her new post.

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 23/02/2019 11:41

Yes. In the absence of a psychic ability, all we have are her published statements that she is very proud of turning an LGB charity into a charity for Straight men to better bully lesbians. Let's not weasel her out of that pride ourselves when she is not shy about it.

2rebecca · 23/02/2019 11:42

I think Scotsman readers have been less exposed t trans ideology than many of us. A couple of men in the comments seem to think she's making up the stuff about heterosexual males identifying as lesbians. They are right in that it seems too obviously bonkers to be believable though

TimeLady · 23/02/2019 11:42

Quote from Janice Turner

"with its lesbian CEO Ruth Hunt resigning this week reportedly in some despair"

It will speak volumes as to whether Hunt refutes that suggestion or not.

Nicely played, Janice, either way Grin

DoctoressPlague · 23/02/2019 11:50

Call me cynical, but I think Ruth is despairing at the fact that not everyone can see the fabulousness and authenticity of the manlesbian.

FeedMeBooks · 23/02/2019 11:58

*"The Stonewall of today is very different to the one I joined, and I’m proud of the part I’ve played in that journey. Our work to support LGBT equality in education and to empower LGBT individuals to act as role models in institutions and businesses has grown exponentially. We are now a serious voice working to stamp out homophobia, biphobia and transphobia in sport, and our ambitions to support the work of human rights defenders internationally is growing at a pace.

Since 2015, we have been a proudly trans-inclusive organisation, and our work with trans communities to tackle the discrimination they face on a daily basis has been one of the major focuses for myself and our board of trustees over the past five years."*
www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/note-ruth

I think she has zero regrets or despair.

HamiltonCork · 23/02/2019 12:00

I don’t think she regrets any of it. We’ve no evidence to think otherwise.
She got paid a fortune and fucked us over at the same time.

CallMeSirShotsFired · 23/02/2019 12:25

I thought this tweet may have some truth in it:

"Ruth leaving Stonewall now Mainstream disagrees with the ideology she promotes and has destroyed the LGBT with"

She got out just before the world at large said the emperor was naked.

FloraFox · 23/02/2019 12:38

A couple of months ago Julie Bindel tweeted that she was tempted to disclose details of a conversation she had with Ruth Hunt before she took the position at Stonewall. I don’t think JB did that but I got the impression she thought RH was being hypocritical in her position on the T at Stonewall. That came to mind when I read the line in Janice Turner’s piece about RH’s despair.