Debbie Hayton and Posie Parker on Matthew Wright, TalkRadio between 1pm and 2pm **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

[MrsSnippyPants]

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Utter bollocks. At no point did i say my view was the only acceptable one. And I haven't asked you to chant anything. Re-read your posts. I have constantly asked you not to be personal and to debate.

That grin was to Lang, for the avoidance of doubt.

YY Spartacus, it is.

You've definitely pushed me further away from your corner though. And guess what, if I am actually a woman/mother/long time Mnetter, maybe that's not such a great thing.

This is the second challenge/invitation on FWR today to 'say it to my face'.
Of course likely coincidence, but unusual in these parts.

You are being so unbelievably flippant about something that is such horrendous emotional abuse that yep I have experienced and causes so much mental and emotional distress [DARVO] whilst being so fucking disingenuous about how you have behaved, that you should be really ashamed of that comment.

Alas poor Bunbury, I knew her well.....

No.
I acknowledge your clear distress.
I am not responsible for it.

As this thread seems to be adding to your feelings, it may be helpful to step away. Take a break.
The thread and discussion isn't going anywhere and you can always return if /when you wish to.

Enormously disingenuous and dishonest on your behalf.

Absolutely genuine.
I know that to be the case.
You don't have to believe me.

Sadly the root cause of that outburst seems to be an assumption that validating trans identities was something women must do even if they don't support self ID.

Which really is spectacularly missing the point. The fakery and finageling of gender identity is the core issue. This is the false fact that we refuse to have forced on us.

No matter who it is.

And having been on FB and Twitter discussions with TWs grouping together and behaving in a v similar way to the way you have just all behaved, makes me realise that very few people actually want actual debate and communication between both sides.

I guess you must mean TRAs, rather than "TWs."

Why on earth is ME saying I accept TW [who have undergone meaningful transition] are W, and using Helen Lewis as an example of someone else who does, mean I am saying you all must believe it? Absolute derailing strawman.

No is not the beginning of a negotiation. No means no.

Personally I'm very happy to debate. My boundaries and consent are my own. I'll debate the issues all the live long day, but the answer will still be no.

Why? It was TWs who were also TRAs. And they behaved in a v similar way to the way you are here. What is this obsession you have with 'catching me out?' It is bizarre.

Personally I'm very happy to debate. My boundaries and consent are my own. I'll debate the issues all the live long day, but the answer will still be no.

Here's to that

Did the TRAs not believe you were genuine?

And having been on FB and Twitter discussions with TWs grouping together and behaving in a v similar way to the way you have just all behaved, makes me realise that very few people actually want actual debate and communication between both sides.

You mean how people responded to your rudeness?

Women, just be nice for fucks sake!

Yes, women getting irritated with pompous, censorious comments is exactly the same as rape threats.