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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Aimee Challenor Quits!

222 replies

JustfiedandAncient · 03/09/2018 21:01

About time too!

Aimee Challenor Quits!
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ToeToToe · 03/09/2018 22:40

redshoe - I honestly don't know. Just that Lily was bemoaning the fact on twitter.

Lily got called out on it actually, as Lily had already posted Lily had a GRC some time previously.

Lily had a massive tantrum about it, and shortly afterwards deleted all tweets.

ToeToToe · 03/09/2018 22:42

I'm positive there are screenshots of those tweets knocking around - but i can't be arsed to look for them.

I saw them all at the time.

NotTerfNorCis · 03/09/2018 22:43

I feel a bit sorry for Aimee given their background, but calling the party of 'non-males' transphobic.... made me laugh. Grin Aimee will be hard put to find any party more in thrall to trans ideology than the Greens.

AngryAttackKittens · 03/09/2018 22:44

I realize that a cynic might say that being a pathological liar was either standard or a plus if someone intends to go into politics, but I'd counter that that's only the case if you don't constantly get caught like Lily does.

KeneftYakimoski · 03/09/2018 22:44

The main conclusion we can draw from this about the greens is that even by the usually low standards of their collective gullibility, they have been remarkably gullible. At least when Labour are the victims of entryism it’s politically astute Trots; indeed, their success is precisely because they are more politically astute than your typical CLP. But Challoner pere et fils are transparently crazy and weird AF and more weirdness is emerging by the second. That the Greens were taken in by them, top to bottom, shows just how shallow the Green talent pool is.

Charliethefeminist · 03/09/2018 22:44

I am not invisible, yes Lily claimed to have a GRC. It was when Lily said Lily would be volunteering at a women's refuge.

HotRocker · 03/09/2018 22:44

Please could someone transcribe those screenshots for me? I can’t see them.

Charliethefeminist · 03/09/2018 22:45

I have the screenshot.

KatVonSweet · 03/09/2018 22:47

The transwoman who was deadnamed when leaving the Greens (As mentioned by AC) made me smile in her Twitter flounce.
Look if you don't update your formal records people will get things incorrect. Its not evil transphobia, it's just what happens with records

Aimee Challenor Quits!
LangCleg · 03/09/2018 22:49

Points to the Tories for once I suppose for not acquiring a token clearly troubled young person to groom as their Official Transperson in an effort to capture the youth vote.

This, I'm sad to say, is the depth to which UK politics has sunk.

(They still have Maria Miller though.)

theodora1972 · 03/09/2018 22:54

Much as I deplore the ridiculous resigning tweet, and the threatening and frightening policies Aimee has promoted, I do feel sorry for Aimee- a person who has had a dreadful background, spent time in care, probably with their education suffering in result, has been unable to escape the influence of dysfunctional and abusive parents, and who has been encouraged by adults who should know better (stand up and take a bow, Caroline Lucas) to play out this awful trauma in public.

The Greens should never have encouraged this traumatised young person to take on a public role: enabling dysfunction, parading trauma and attention seeking in public.

Awful though Aimee's politics are, I hope they have someone in their life who can offer a modicum of ordinary common sense and disinterested affection and support. (I fear they probably don't.)

Aimee is only a couple of years older than my eldest son- I can't help wondering how he would have coped with Aimee's awful background, and with this public humiliation. Not well.

littlbrowndog · 03/09/2018 23:03

Hells teeth arranfan. They were trying to make out fgm happened to a person not a girl

Ffs that is fucking sick

HotRocker · 03/09/2018 23:05

Sorry, I wasn’t very clear there. I hadn’t read the rest of the thread yet. I meant could someone please transcribe the resignation tantrum for me.

arranfan · 03/09/2018 23:09

littlebrowndog wrote: They were trying to make out fgm happened to a person not a girl

I know! It doesn't matter how much I read about egocentric world views and narcissistic perspectives on everything - I still can't get my head around your own self and obsessions being so much more important than everything else that you'd write "girls and women" out of FGM.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2018 23:22

How on earth did this pass scrutiny?
For the simple reason that there was none

The Greens are idealists. They believe that everyone in their party is another righteous crusader like them. They believe in this idea of a 'shared uptopia'.

The problem is that they only talk to others who they believe share the same values and sense of social justice.

Because they view themselves and other greens as 'the good guys' to a point of total blindness. It simply does not occur to them, that someone within their party might not be a 'good guy'. They don't have the concept in their head that people might exploit a system.

Their black and white thinking, makes their ability to approach an idea or problem is limited.

Politics at the moment is dominated by idealistic and ideologues at the moment - of all political leanings. It is pragamatists and realists who are struggling to be heard and to reel in this inability to identify a problem, never mind solve it.

This fight is impossible for pragamatists and realists to argue against. The shit has to hit reality first and for the idealism to fracture and fail apart. This process is not pretty. It requires individuals to shatter the emotional investiment and energy they have put into following an ideal. This idea is crucial to their identity, so fracturing the ideal, means questioning that identity.

This is not just a trans issue. It is about how blinkered idealism in pursuit of an unachievable uptopia has taken over the world.

ToeToToe · 03/09/2018 23:24

twitter.com/CroneInAMillion/status/1036688156119248896

Click on this link, hotrocker - it's a twitter screenshot, might be clearer.

theOtherPamAyres · 03/09/2018 23:28

Patrick Harvie, Scottish Greens MSP and Stonewall VIP, might be hoovering the red carpet for AC, as we speak.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2018 23:34

Re Lily Madigan.

Who on Lily's twitter feed, paid for Lily to go to Goldsmiths. Lily tweeted that they would not be going there without financial support from someone off twitter?

Also, Lily 'I'm so poor I couldn't even afford my application for UCAS or for food and clothes, please send me all your money' Madigan, tweeted this week about how they were off on holiday to Hungary. How did Lily afford that all of a sudden?

Where did the money come from?

This is important in terms of who has influence and power over Lily. Its a worry. It is not normal to be funding your every day life off your twitter followers. It leaves you vulnerable. It leaves your political party vulnerable.

This is why local councillors and MPs have registers of interests and have to declare gifts they recieve. This is both to prevent corruption and also to protect the intgretity of that politician.

Lily is currently is in a position where they don't need to declare their interests. If that changes and if they do into a position of greater influence / representation, this could be a possible source of problems.

It is important to keep an eye on, because it relates to accountability and transparency. Is someone pulling strings?

littlbrowndog · 03/09/2018 23:35

U know there was a guy on the telly at lunchtime from the police talking about the 80,000 peadophiles in Uk alone then he said there was a rough estimate of 10 million children pictures being sexually abused

Then the nspcc guy came on and was included in discussion but that is the same nspcc who won’t discuss safeguarding on here with us parents

How does that work ?

10 million pictures and that doesn’t includ3 live streaming

littlbrowndog · 03/09/2018 23:36

Och sorry am in wrong section. Virgin being a fecker tonight lagging like a snail

Thingybob · 03/09/2018 23:39

theodora1972

who has been encouraged by adults who should know better
My instincts say that there may well have been others that encouraged Aimee on this path. As a former 'looked after child' she would have had involvement from Coventry social services to at least the age of 21(up to 25 if she is in full time education)

I hope they have someone in their life who can offer a modicum of ordinary common sense

HotRocker · 03/09/2018 23:44

Thanks toetotoe, but I’m using a screen reader and it doesn’t read images unfortunately. Sorry I’m probably coming across a bit dim here.

UpstartCrow · 03/09/2018 23:45

@HotRocker - Apologies , I wasnt sure whether to 'at' you or not.

the screen shot reads;

I've resigned from the Green Party of england and wales. I cannot remain in a political party that has a significant transphobia problem. Caroline Luca meeting with a far right trans[hobic hate group is atrocious, as is Green Jenny Jones retweeting again transphobia.

Just got an email back from the green Party about cancelling my membership die to the party's transphobia.
They deadnamed me in their reply.

The final straw for me was Sharar Alii weaponising the Veritas enquirry by saying past disciplinary action against transphobes should be revealed as part of it. His reasoning unlcear as neither me or any member of my family have dealt with complaints.

It is clear that the current Green Party of England and Wales is no longer the same party that I joined in november 2014. It has lost its respect for LGBTIQA+ rights and now scapegoarts vulnerable people, whilst creating a hostile atmosphere for any trans person in the party.

I stand by my commitment to fight for Environmental and Social Justice, I hope that one day the Green Party will again.

UpstartCrow · 03/09/2018 23:46

There were a couple of spelling errors which I've corrected as I wasn't sure how your screen reader manages them. I've also removed the 'at' symbols from the twitter names, and just used proper names.

HotRocker · 03/09/2018 23:58

Thanks Upstart.
How easy it is to go from best thing ever to evil Nazis.