Aimee Challenor Quits!

[JustfiedandAncient]

About time too!

There was an article in the Sunday Times about the fragile state of most people on US university campuses. Only have print copy, but it mentioned:

"...an entire generation of students has been brought up as frail and coddled, allergic to opinions and events that diverge from their sanctioned world view... the outward manifestation of this trend is a new form of campus radicalism, notable for its fusion of intolerance and fragility... The students who engage in this new extremism demand safe spaces and trigger warnings... They are quick to point to microaggressions...Their arguments tend to be driven by emotions, how something makes them feel, rather than pointing to facts or rationality. And they view hurtful speech as a form of violence"

They also excel in:
"catastrophising - the act of turning bad or unwelcome events into disastrous ones"

I recognised this pretty early on in my personal relationship but couldn't verbalise what it was that was wrong. It just gave me an uncomfortable feeling, made me feel guilty and a failure.

"If you are not with us you are against us" was referred to as the Bush Doctrine in the US when he declared it, though it is much older than him, or any of us.
The demand for constant loyalty signaling through unquestioning submission is the first on the list of red flags that signal danger in any relationship with any group or individual.
Most of the time I think we feel the discomfort of it long before we learn the words for it.

I know, aranfan and Betsy 😁

I'm just thinking through why a woman will be so very keen to firstly, notice she does not conform to narrow gender stereotypes but then, secondly, identify away from sex rather than act for political change from that place.

It's always going to be anti-feminist.

I wonder if part of it is fear of men? It permits both acknowledgement and denial of men's anger and power and likewise acknowledgement and denial of one's vulnerability as a female sexed being in patriarchy.

And a fear that women, feminists, can't defend them against male rage?
And that their being feminist is terrifying?

Former is interesting. Might be why so many of the girls join in with the shouting st older women.

So in an interview with BBC Midlands, Aimee said: "We have got to a point in the party where our messaging on trans rights is falling behind,"

Jesus Christ. If that was falling behind then keeping up can be no less than total capitulation.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Trans ideology's downfall will come from entitled hubristic, paraphilic men overplaying their hand. All we have to do is shine a fucking great spotlight on it.

There was an article in the Sunday Times about the fragile state of most people on US university campuses.
It seems to me to be the result of the former news media becoming the infotainment industry during the eighties.

Audio from AC's Radio Coventry piece here:

t.co/VtI1AeZF2w?amp=1

Jesus that Radio Coventry bit.

They gave AC a platform to lie and did not fact check a word of it.
When the response to inquiring if the Green Party represents women is having your membership cancelled it is neither inclusive nor does it have disciplinary procedures that are worth the name.
Personally I thought the misogynist take over of the party was obvious when they defined the humans formerly known as women and girls as non-men. Everything that has happened subsequently has confirmed that the He-Man Woman Haters Club is quite large and powerful in politics.

I was feeling sorry for Aimee until I read their Twitter feed. They are still very much on the attack against 'transphobes', very hard line, fanatical you might call it. I think we'll be hearing more from Aimee.

Aimee is a one trick pony and when that is all you have that is what you use.

To those going on about 'Poor Aimee', what's with that nonsense?? This bloke actively wanted to get rid of women's rights. Christ, show a bit of self respect!

This person grew up with a child rapist father, a mother who - at the very least - had questionable ability to protect their children, and was in and out of care. I don't care if it is my female socialisation to say, that is a SHIT hand to be dealt in life. I don't let Aimee off the specific things they have done that I violently disagree with, but God, a little human sympathy? Not going to apologise for that.

I find AC a bit too cool headed for my liking.

Young and out of depth in politics, blagging, manipulating, gaming, getting a 'closer' to a rapist dad, lying, threatening, slandering, silencing.. and all the while functioning a bit too well in the middle of this to pass as someone with empathy and a conscience. Normal people would be trembling, sweating, tripping over their words and wanting to hide.

I think AC has inherited some of DCs traits. Cyber terrorism as a young teen was an early sign imo.

I find AC a bit too cool headed for my liking.

AC heavily prepared for the interview. The first question Aimee was pretty much reciting 'off script' (by this I mean, they had a fair idea of how they wanted to start the interview and repeated that back to the interviewer rather than necessarily being prepped by the BBC itself).

The last answer Aimee gave about how much they had done in their life was also scripted in the same way. Aimee has a pinned tweet from two days ago at the top of their feed which is pretty much word for word. This section sounds like it's a boast, but it's more a positive motivation mantra. That suggests they aren't coping as well as they outwardly are appearing.

It's awkward and it's unnatural. It's very 'unBritish' as it lack any sense of humility.

The middle of the interview was much less scripted and rigid. But I'm not sure it was much better.

But yes, you are picking up on how 'controlled' the whole thing was.

The sense of 'the party' giving up its values, the second Aimee was questioned and it being framed as all policy, whilst only meaning trans issues. It wasn't about party policy, but doing what Aimee wanted and now no longer getting their own way, which had provoked this lashing out at the party in response.

The whole innocent act, but unable to answer why they did not ask their father about 'serious offences' in any detail. On this note, what counts as 'serious offences'? Aimee was horrified by the child aspect having 'only found out recently' it involved recently. The implication being that knowing 'serious offences' were on the table, but this wasn't an issue until it became apparent children were involved. It's like a moral compass bypass, until someone mentions the children.

At times there were things in there that made me feel like Aimee was trying to convince themselves rather than the audience.

It's got many many things in there which you can deconstruct. I'm not sure it's wise to any more than that. Im troubled by it.

Aimee should not be giving interviews at this time.

I agree, Red.

I can see why Aimee's doing it.

But, no.

Aimee should not be giving interviews at this time.

This^^

Well then I'll leave you to your sympathy. Am quite happy to be the 'terf' monster who kicks that Aimee while he's down. Some people just earn the right to get steam rolled.

It's not sympathy.

Trust me.

I agree with that red. Aimee comes across as a disturbed individual and egotistical with no self awareness.

But that interview was either a misguided attempt at damage limitation, or maybe to show their side of things. Either way they come across as fudging and bitter about being suspended.

The interviewer asking if it was sour grapes was only verbalising what everyone else was thinking.

It's very hard to separate pity from blame. Because I, personally, feel both at the same time.

In any event, I believe Aimee's influence and goal is not benign and I'm glad their wings have been clipped. For their own sake, as well.

I wonder who exactly is supporting AC right now.

I wonder what their agenda is, but I very much doubt it's one where AC's welfare is paramount.

My sympathy comment was to annandale.

I wonder who exactly is supporting AC right now.

Aimee Challenor commented in the interview that she was still a Stonewall adviser.

Stonewall should be supporting her. They may be presumed to be advising her (given the position).
There are some serious questions for Stonewall.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovet- I completely agree with your assessment of AC there- the cool handed ness is disturbing. Sociopathic.

Assigned Female At Birth, Non-Binary (NB = Enby or Enbie, spelling varies).

A female person who isn’t entirely stereotypically feminine in absolutely every way.

So, an ordinary woman.

Yes sorry I should have been clearer afab enby is how she described herself (and I had to google enby) but it means non binary apparently so as Betty says above an ordinary woman who wants to claim special trans status. I apologise for the derailment with my outburst I was just irritated by the blocking of women who haven't even said anything (on that Twitter account) yet. I did hop out of the account to read the tweets.

And this Their arguments tend to be driven by emotions, how something makes them feel, rather than pointing to facts or rationality. And they view hurtful speech as a form of violence" from Alicethroughtheblackmirror (love that name btw) is exactly why I have a problem with it. You need to be more robust to get through life and you need to be able to question to tell the truth, posit theories or even tell your own story. Critical thinking people - it involves listening and reading things you may not like - which is relevant to Aimee and the alleged ignorance of the nature of DC's crime. Learn to deal with opinions you dislike, don't just block them out.

Back on topic
I feel pity and some sympathy for the child Aimee was but now Aimee is an adult albeit a damaged one. Aimee has to be responsible at some point for their own actions. I think Aimee needs support and a hefty dose of reality to establish right and wrong here because their moral compass IS faulty regardless of whether this is down to their past it still needs to be addressed.

The sense of 'the party' giving up its values, the second Aimee was questioned and it being framed as all policy, whilst only meaning trans issues. It wasn't about party policy, but doing what Aimee wanted and now no longer getting their own way, which had provoked this lashing out at the party in response.

The whole innocent act, but unable to answer why they did not ask their father about 'serious offences' in any detail. On this note, what counts as 'serious offences'? Aimee was horrified by the child aspect having 'only found out recently' it involved recently. The implication being that knowing 'serious offences' were on the table, but this wasn't an issue until it became apparent children were involved. It's like a moral compass bypass, until someone mentions the children.

Good post as usual Red Aimee sees any dissension as personal and IF the lack of looking into the true nature of their father's crimes is true (and not just a deny until proved otherwise) that is problematic too. A serious crime is a serious crime whoever it involves.

Good point about Aimee’s moral compass.
Aimee’s experience of such a dysfunctional background it’s what’s enabling her to plough on.
Similar to how a domestic violence victim will go into patch up mode before the police arrive or the dc get up. Clean it up, wipe the blood... nothing to see here ..all normal.
Aimee does not realize how fucked up her world is. It’s why she’s giving interviews, it’s why she’s pointing the finger at others.
It’s also why she shouldn’t be in any position of authority and why she should not have a platform.